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20 Jun 2012, 6:28 pm

You may begin... now. Cheating will result in an immediate zero and we will be very very very upset with you, okay!

Religion 101: Final Exam
by Terrence Kaye
http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/gues ... on101.html

The author gratefully acknowledges the inspiration provided by E.T. Babinski, Dan Barker, George Carlin, Richard Dawkins,, Sam Harris, Judith Hayes, James Haught, Robert Ingersoll, Adam Lee, John Stuart Mill, Pablo Neruda, Blaise Pascal, Seneca, Julia Sweeney, Jethro Tull, Mark Twain, and Mark Vuletic.

Which of the following is the most compelling evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer?

The little girl born in Egypt with two functioning heads
The screams of a baby seal as it is torn apart by a shark
The superiority of the octopus eyeball to the human
A Caribbean sunset

A Christian couple has just returned from their fiftieth anniversary celebration, when suddenly the husband falls to the ground, clutching his chest. Assuming the morally proper action is to try to save his life, what is the most morally proper action the wife could take?

Call 911
Put him in the car and race to the hospital herself
Administer CPR
Fall on her knees and pray to the Lord to spare his life

You are a product tester and frequently bring your work home. Yesterday, while dressed in a flame-resistant suit (up to 3,000 degrees) and carrying the latest model fire extinguisher, you discovered your neighbor's house on fire. As the flames quickly spread, you stood by and watched the family perish. Which of the following best describes your behavior?

All-powerful
All-knowing
All-loving
Mysterious

One day while jogging in the park, you see a maniac with a butcher knife about to attack a six-year old girl. What should you do?

Grab the nearest rock and club the attacker
Call the police on your cell phone
Yell "POLICE!" and run toward the attacker in a threatening manner
Calmly walk away, because God works in mysterious ways, and what appears "evil" to our finite human mind, may in fact be part of a vaster plan in God's infinite mind, so it's best not to interfere

You are a loving family man who volunteers as a Big Brother and also at the local hospice when not working as the director of the community food bank. You awaken this morning to discover the global news media ablaze with the first-ever, easily understood, irrefutable scientific proof that there is no God. What will you probably do?

Quit your job and become a full-time rapist
Abandon your family and go on a murder rampage
Become a professional burglar
Continue your life pretty much as usual

Since we can never "know" whether or not a God exists - it is fundamentally a matter of "faith" - it's best to be a believer since you have nothing to lose, but everything to lose if your disbelief is incorrect. Keeping in mind that the fate of your soul depends on the right choice, in which God should you place your belief? For extra credit, include a brief essay justifying your choice, along with the reasons why you reject the other three.

Zeus
Odin
Vishnu
The Holy Trinity

You are the Creator of the universe. Your chosen people are a tribe of nomadic herdsmen, presently in bondage on one of the millions of your planets. Their ruler is being quite obstinate. Keeping in mind that you possess not only infinite power but also infinite love, your best course of action would be to:

Cause the ruler to drop dead of a heart attack
Cause the ruler to fall off a cliff
Visit the ruler in a dream and persuade him to let your people go
Slaughter a great number of innocent babies who had nothing to do with the ruler's policies

You are a Starfleet Federation explorer in the process of cataloging two newly discovered planets. The majority of the inhabitants of each planet believe in a deity, but they are two different deities. Deity "X" is said to be not only all-powerful, all-loving, and all-knowing, but the designer of a marvelously complex and ordered world. Deity "Y" is said to be indifferent, absent, unconcerned with the affairs of his planet, and some even say evil. Which god rules over which planet?

Planet A: Has apparently achieved a state of advanced benign equilibrium in which there are no viruses or diseases, and only a very small number of natural disasters, which, when they do strike, always eliminate only the sinful and evil. The inhabitants, both plant and animal, have learned to maintain their existence through photosynthesis, and thus do not have to kill and eat each other in order to survive. There are no "birth defects"; every inhabitant comes into existence perfectly formed and equipped for a long and productive life.

Deity X_____
Deity Y_____

Planet B: Adorned with many examples of beauty and order, it is also constantly beset by hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, floods, volcanoes, lightning bolts, viruses, disfiguring diseases, parasites, leeches, flies, crop-destroying pests and many other phenomena which afflict both the innocent and the evil. Every life form on the planet can only sustain its existence through the destruction and consumption of other life forms. Some of the inhabitants are born with a crippling condition called a "birth defect" which condemns them to living extremely limited, short or painful lives.

Deity X_____
Deity Y_____

What is the number of children born without arms or legs that have been miraculously restored by a visit to the shrine at Lourdes, France?

Too many to count
Over 1,000
Several dozen
Zero, but only because their faith was not strong enough

As we all know, there is only one true religion. What is the one true religion in each of the following circumstances?

You are born in Karnak in 3000 B.C.
You are born in Bombay in 300 B.C.
You are born in Baghdad in 900 A.D.
You are born in Mexico City in 1956 A.D.

Although you are new at golf, you have just hit a beautiful 200-yard drive and your ball has landed on a blade of grass near the cup at Hole 3. The green contains ten million blades of grass. The odds of your ball landing on that blade of grass are 9,999,999 to one against, too improbable to have happened by mere chance. What's the explanation?

The wind guided it
Your muscles guided it
There is no need for an explanation
You consciously designed your shot to land on that particular blade

Which of the following is most likely to be true, and why?

Romulus was the son of God, born to a mortal human virgin
Dionysus turned water into wine
Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from the dead
Jesus Christ was the son of God, born to a mortal virgin, turned water into wine, and raised a man from the dead

Conceding that torture is permissible under certain conditions, which of the following would be the best justification?

Your prisoner is the only one who knows the date and time of an assassination attempt on the Pope
Your prisoner is the only one who knows where a nuclear device has been planted in Washington, D.C.
Your prisoner is the only one who knows where a vial of nerve gas has been placed in the London water supply system
Your prisoner has announced that the earth revolves around the sun

We know that Christianity is true because the Gospel writers, inspired by God who can make no error, recorded the founding events. For example, on the first Easter morning, the visitors to the tomb were greeted by which of the following:

A young man (Mark 16:5)
No, no, it was no man, it was an angel (Matthew 28:2-5)
You're both wrong, it was two men (Luke 24:4)
Damn it, there was nobody there (John 20:1-2)

Only human beings have souls, and thus only human beings can go to heaven. What is the cutoff point for entry into paradise?

Homo habilis
Homo erectus
Homo Neanderthalensis
Homo sapiens

According to at least one sainted church father, one of the pleasures of the saved in paradise will be to behold the agony of the damned in hell. What would be the best time of day in heaven for a mother to behold the agony of her only son who didn't make it?

Early in the morning before it gets too crowded
Mid-day when she can compare notes and share the celebration with other mothers
Late at night when she can enjoy the flames in starker contrast

In the Judeo-Christian tradition, we always look to the Bible as a guide. In this example, your teenage son has returned home from the prom intoxicated. If you want to follow the Bible, you should:

Sit him down for a heart to heart talk
Enroll him in AA
Take away his driving privilege for one month
Smash his head in with rocks

In this example, your son-in-law, returned from his honeymoon, has just told you he suspects your daughter was not a virgin on their wedding night. Wishing to abide by God's holy rules as laid out in the Bible, you should:

Ask him if he was a virgin before you do anything
Advise him to forgive her
Talk to your daughter
Go find those rocks

You are eating lunch at a crowded fast food restaurant, occupied mostly by children, when suddenly a gunman bursts in, screams "Do not question or test me," and sprays the room with bullets. Ten people are killed instantly, many more grievously wounded, but somehow you escape unharmed. His ammunition expended, the gunman heads for the door. What should you do?

Call the police and wait for them to arrive
Call the police and leave
Risk death by asking the gunman why he did it, even though he told you not to
Fall on your knees and give thanks and praise to the gunman for sparing your life

Why did God show his backside to Moses, as described in Holy Scripture, Ex.33:23?

He invented everything, and this was simply the first mooning
He was really ticked off when Moses dropped the tablets
He was piqued, having just discovered His almighty powers were useless against chariots of iron (Judges 1:19)
Moses was too serious and needed to lighten up a little

Jesus was God, and God knows all things, including all the medical knowledge that will ever be known. Why did Jesus blame demons for the case of epilepsy he cured?

He was suffering from a temporary case of "brain freeze"
The Aramaic word for "demon" is the same as the word for "cranial malfunction"
Neurology was not his specialty
In first-century Palestine, demons really did cause epilepsy. This affliction only began to be caused by electrochemical brain activity after about 1850 A.D.

Today's paper carries a story about a suburban father who became so enraged with his disobedient children that he carried all nine of them to the backyard pool where he drowned them, along with their puppies, their kittens, and their hamsters. How should this father be treated?

He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law
He should be banished from the town
He should be lynched to save the taxpayers' money
The townspeople should gather together to sing hymns of praise to him

This morning I started my day by insulting my mother in public, then punched out my father, my brother, and my sister. Then I gathered up all my clothes, sold them to a second-hand store, and with the proceeds bought a used assault rifle and 50 rounds of ammunition. Next, I went down to the animal shelter and injected all the dogs with a drug that caused them to go insane and dive into the nearby canal where they all drowned. By this time I was hungry, so I went over to my neighbor's apple orchard and burned it down, because I wanted an orange and there weren't any. On the way home, I stopped at the local steel mill to discuss my philosophy of life with some of the guys. They laughed at me and said to stow it, so I tossed them all into the blast furnace. That night I discovered my son looking at a copy of Playboy. Concerned for his future welfare, I cut off his right hand. What historical character did my activities today most resemble?

Genghis Khan
Charles Manson
Adolph Hitler
Jesus Christ

Down through the ages, who has been most responsible for the medical discoveries that have relieved untold amounts of suffering and pain, and extended the length of that most sacred of creations, the only species made in the divine image, human life?

Medical doctors
Research biologists
Chemists
The Catholic Church

A great sadness has come into your life which you feel you cannot bear. A friend informs you of a free counseling service which has never failed to aid and comfort many others. You call the counselor; the phone rings and rings with no answer; you finally hang up. What is the most likely explanation?

The counselor is sitting by the phone but not answering in order to test your faith in him
The counselor is fully qualified and able to help you, but just doesn't feel like it right now
The counselor will not answer because he wants you to profit by the spiritual strength that only comes through suffering
The counselor is not home

ESSAY QUESTION
While it is true that there have been and still are many different gods and many different religions, they are really just different names by which various cultures approach the same God. Explain how and why each of the following is the same God:


Quetzalcoatl, who wants you to skin a young virgin alive, then put on the skin and dance;
Shiva, who wants you to pray over his penis;
Allah, who wants you to fly airliners into buildings;
Catholic God, who speaks directly through the Pope;
Hebrew God, who most definitely does not;
Jesus, who wants you to castrate yourself to ensure arrival in heaven
Jehovah, who any day now, is going to kill everyone on the earth except for his Witnesses


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20 Jun 2012, 7:06 pm

hahaha Pretty funny!


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20 Jun 2012, 7:20 pm

I'm going to point out the blatently obvious, that your "exam" is nothing more than an anti-Jew, anti-Christian hitpiece.


The Aztecs did not believe in the Hebrew God for starters, in fact God was pretty blatent in his opposition of human sacrifices and that's simply for starters.

I would further point out that in the case of the heart attack, you are presenting things that should be done in tandem, or rapid succession.

1. The wife can pray and still dial 911, you don't always have to say prayers aloud in order to pray.
2. The wife can pray while administering CPR.
3. The wife can pray while her husband is being taken to the hospital.

This argument that things have to be done in exclusion of the others, is pure stupidity.

Furthermore your argument about the house fire is completely stupid, you're comparing God to a person in firefighting outfit. Do you honestly want to live as nothing more than a plaything of someone, part of why one knows God loves us is that lets us have free will.

The argument about the 6 year old being threatened is rather stupid as well, while yes God can work in mysterious ways, unless you're someone like Jesus Christ, you can't see into someone's soul. People can be redeemed, but they have to want to be redeemed, it's free will. The appropriate action is club the attacker then call the Police after you've beaten the attacker to a bloody pulp. While prophets, and probably Jesus for that matter could call in wild animals to protect the child, you aren't a prophet, and you aren't divinity, you have the means to protect the child on your own. How about you take the responsibility to protect the child.

This "proof" idea you are spouting, well if scientists ever tried to pull that stunt (and this isn't a hypothetical cause they have tried to do this before), I would consider the scientists to be total morons.

The argument of the Holy Trinity shows that the person that created this "test" has no clue what they are talking about. If you want to get more specifics I would suggest you consult a theologian.


Your Star Trek example, is similarly goofy, how about you watch the Voyager episode "The Caretaker parts 1 and 2," for example. While they weren't actually dealing with a God in that episode, what was pointed out is that one can inadvertently be hurting people by taking care of everything. We have free will for a reason.

I could deconstruct this more, but it would be a waste of my time.



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20 Jun 2012, 8:03 pm

Way to miss the point, 'Yasha.

Just for the firesuit example: what do we call someone who is fully capable to save someone from dying horribly, but chooses not to?
That is the point.



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20 Jun 2012, 8:07 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
I'm going to point out the blatently obvious, that your "exam" is nothing more than an anti-Jew, anti-Christian hitpiece.


The Aztecs did not believe in the Hebrew God for starters, in fact God was pretty blatent in his opposition of human sacrifices and that's simply for starters.

I would further point out that in the case of the heart attack, you are presenting things that should be done in tandem, or rapid succession.

1. The wife can pray and still dial 911, you don't always have to say prayers aloud in order to pray.
2. The wife can pray while administering CPR.
3. The wife can pray while her husband is being taken to the hospital.

This argument that things have to be done in exclusion of the others, is pure stupidity.

Furthermore your argument about the house fire is completely stupid, you're comparing God to a person in firefighting outfit. Do you honestly want to live as nothing more than a plaything of someone, part of why one knows God loves us is that lets us have free will.

The argument about the 6 year old being threatened is rather stupid as well, while yes God can work in mysterious ways, unless you're someone like Jesus Christ, you can't see into someone's soul. People can be redeemed, but they have to want to be redeemed, it's free will. The appropriate action is club the attacker then call the Police after you've beaten the attacker to a bloody pulp. While prophets, and probably Jesus for that matter could call in wild animals to protect the child, you aren't a prophet, and you aren't divinity, you have the means to protect the child on your own. How about you take the responsibility to protect the child.

This "proof" idea you are spouting, well if scientists ever tried to pull that stunt (and this isn't a hypothetical cause they have tried to do this before), I would consider the scientists to be total morons.

The argument of the Holy Trinity shows that the person that created this "test" has no clue what they are talking about. If you want to get more specifics I would suggest you consult a theologian.


Your Star Trek example, is similarly goofy, how about you watch the Voyager episode "The Caretaker parts 1 and 2," for example. While they weren't actually dealing with a God in that episode, what was pointed out is that one can inadvertently be hurting people by taking care of everything. We have free will for a reason.

I could deconstruct this more, but it would be a waste of my time.


Excuse me. This is an exam room, mister, you can watch Star Trek Voyager elsewhere


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20 Jun 2012, 8:07 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

I could deconstruct this more, but it would be a waste of my time.


Your sense of humor may need a little work.

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20 Jun 2012, 8:39 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
I'm going to point out the blatently obvious, that your "exam" is nothing more than an anti-Jew, anti-Christian hitpiece.


The Aztecs did not believe in the Hebrew God for starters, in fact God was pretty blatent in his opposition of human sacrifices and that's simply for starters.


You never read the Book of Mormon? After November, it will be taught in all public schools. You missed out.

Inuyasha wrote:
This "proof" idea you are spouting, well if scientists ever tried to pull that stunt (and this isn't a hypothetical cause they have tried to do this before), I would consider the scientists to be total morons.
:lmao:

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The argument of the Holy Trinity shows that the person that created this "test" has no clue what they are talking about. If you want to get more specifics I would suggest you consult a theologian.

We have several theologians here who would be glad to argue about any aspect of the Trinity over which you might like to start an argument.

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I could deconstruct this more, but it would be a waste of my time.

I'm sure that you really have nothing better to do.



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20 Jun 2012, 8:59 pm

When I chose my college, I was an indifferent Christian. It didn't matter to me that my school of choice happened to be a Christian college. However, during my college years I became an atheist (due in part to the gay bashing and general uptight smugness of other students). In order to graduate, I had to take a religion class and write a long paper about my faith. I knew it was NOT going to go over well if I wrote that I didn't believe in a god, so I faked it. It made me feel physically ill, and just seeing "Religion 101" makes me feel grossed out. :eew:

Fun post, though. :wink:



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21 Jun 2012, 12:00 am

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The Aztecs did not believe in the Hebrew God for starters, in fact God was pretty blatent in his opposition of human sacrifices and that's simply for starters.

The essay question is simply making fun of people who try to reconcile religious differences by saying that all are expressions of the spiritual nature of reality.

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I would further point out that in the case of the heart attack, you are presenting things that should be done in tandem, or rapid succession.

1. The wife can pray and still dial 911, you don't always have to say prayers aloud in order to pray.
2. The wife can pray while administering CPR.
3. The wife can pray while her husband is being taken to the hospital.

This argument that things have to be done in exclusion of the others, is pure stupidity.

The idea is really that prayer is not effective. So, it points out multiple practical options, and puts prayer on the list as well to get people to think about the inefficacy of prayer.

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Furthermore your argument about the house fire is completely stupid, you're comparing God to a person in firefighting outfit. Do you honestly want to live as nothing more than a plaything of someone, part of why one knows God loves us is that lets us have free will.

1) It's not stupid, as the comparison is basically highlighting that a person who fails to help people in need is a jerk, and that God is such a being.
2) We probably don't have free will anyway. Let's more clearly put this: determinism involving mental processes is probably true. The free will that makes meaningful sense where God does not control us is incompatible with determinism. So... yes, I broadly agree that I can be described as choosing get up, choosing to eat a pie, and choosing to sit down. However, these actions are likely the results of pre-existing neurological processes. The argument on this can go at some length, but the intuitive supports are questionable: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm? ... id=1535480

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The argument about the 6 year old being threatened is rather stupid as well, while yes God can work in mysterious ways, unless you're someone like Jesus Christ, you can't see into someone's soul. People can be redeemed, but they have to want to be redeemed, it's free will. The appropriate action is club the attacker then call the Police after you've beaten the attacker to a bloody pulp. While prophets, and probably Jesus for that matter could call in wild animals to protect the child, you aren't a prophet, and you aren't divinity, you have the means to protect the child on your own. How about you take the responsibility to protect the child.

The problem that is being highlighted is the inefficacy of divine action, AND the questionable nature of "mysteriousness" when put to a practical problem.

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This "proof" idea you are spouting, well if scientists ever tried to pull that stunt (and this isn't a hypothetical cause they have tried to do this before), I would consider the scientists to be total morons.

I think the question is whether you'd vary your notions in response to evidence. However, can scientists show something is radically implausible? Sure. Can this something shown radically implausible relate back to theism? Yes. I mean, my suspicion is that the notion of free will will end up going that direction, as for most purposes, compatibilism will probably not cut it, as we don't really have as much ability to let God entirely off the hook for evil in a deterministic system.

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The argument of the Holy Trinity shows that the person that created this "test" has no clue what they are talking about. If you want to get more specifics I would suggest you consult a theologian.

I've read plenty of theologians. I even have a friend in seminary. I don't see the problem. Can you elaborate?

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Your Star Trek example, is similarly goofy, how about you watch the Voyager episode "The Caretaker parts 1 and 2," for example. While they weren't actually dealing with a God in that episode, what was pointed out is that one can inadvertently be hurting people by taking care of everything. We have free will for a reason.

I think the issue involved is that there are two worlds considered logically possible, and yet one was clearly a better place.

Is it possible to inadvertently hurt people by taking care of everything? Sure, but... that doesn't prove that this world couldn't have been made a better world by a loving God, and that this action wouldn't increase overall human well-being. I mean, the most intuitive answer is that it would easily increase overall human well-being, to the degree where one has no reason to even ask the question.

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I could deconstruct this more, but it would be a waste of my time.

Honestly, not a very powerful rebuttal. Certainly not a deconstruction.



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21 Jun 2012, 6:18 pm

Yeah, but George Bush was like totally and blatantly responsible for the Fast and Furious fiasco.



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21 Jun 2012, 6:50 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
I'm going to point out the blatently obvious, that your "exam" is nothing more than an anti-Jew, anti-Christian hitpiece.


And?

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21 Jun 2012, 7:42 pm

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Yeah, but George Bush was like totally and blatantly responsible for the Fast and Furious fiasco.


Hate to break it to you but all the evidence points to Pauley Shore and Obama


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21 Jun 2012, 10:03 pm

Vigilans, I have been forced to pay money to watch comedians make commentary that was less hilarious, insightful, and intelligent than what you have just given me for free. I love you, and wish you to take me in a manly fashion.


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24 Jun 2012, 11:38 am

Atheists are so angry at things they believe don't exist



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24 Jun 2012, 12:27 pm

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Atheists are so angry at things they believe don't exist


That extremely fast object that just whistled over your head? That was the joke. The one that followed it? That was the point.


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24 Jun 2012, 5:04 pm

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Atheists are so angry at things they believe don't exist

Darling, we wouldn't give a flying f**k about said non-existent things if it weren't for the believers contantly making asses of themselves. The reason that there aren't any 'New Adragonists' is because there aren't any Dragonists trying to re-write our laws to satisfy their Dragon God or constantly trying to convert us and control our sex lives.