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26 Jun 2012, 1:30 am

Conservatism makes the world a worse place because it makes the world a more boring place. Everything else follows from here. I currently work as a software engineer ensconced deep within the bowels of Corporate America: tie, starched white shirt, and all. Needless to say, the workplace, which seems united on a tacit shared collection of mostly conservative values, is the kind of miserable, soul-crushing place that leads to offices being so widely lampooned. I've never met such thoroughgoing dull, if "nice," people before; but everything about everything is just so extremely flavorlessly bland. The existence of inequality that conservatives often want to rationalize can also be found in this yearning for boredom. Corporate America abhors anything that hints at the Dionysian; human beings are treated more or less as robots that can be used as inputs into these organizational "programs" called business procedures/workflows. The orderly, top-down approach to work necessitates a top-down hierarchy of control as well: the executives and sundry rungs of management. The very fact that these dehumanizing processes make their employees unhappy and thus less productive is missed; if anything, they must see it as a boon as perhaps they feel it gives them greater control over their employees' lives.

The workplace extols conservatives' virtues of hard work, joylessness (i.e., "stoicicism"), and deference to authority.



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26 Jun 2012, 1:57 am

NeantHumain wrote:
Conservatism makes the world a worse place because it makes the world a more boring place. Everything else follows from here. I currently work as a software engineer ensconced deep within the bowels of Corporate America: tie, starched white shirt, and all. Needless to say, the workplace, which seems united on a tacit shared collection of mostly conservative values, is the kind of miserable, soul-crushing place that leads to offices being so widely lampooned. I've never met such thoroughgoing dull, if "nice," people before; but everything about everything is just so extremely flavorlessly bland. The existence of inequality that conservatives often want to rationalize can also be found in this yearning for boredom. Corporate America abhors anything that hints at the Dionysian; human beings are treated more or less as robots that can be used as inputs into these organizational "programs" called business procedures/workflows. The orderly, top-down approach to work necessitates a top-down hierarchy of control as well: the executives and sundry rungs of management. The very fact that these dehumanizing processes make their employees unhappy and thus less productive is missed; if anything, they must see it as a boon as perhaps they feel it gives them greater control over their employees' lives.

The workplace extols conservatives' virtues of hard work, joylessness (i.e., "stoicicism"), and deference to authority.


Keep the world full of change and joy! Become a Michael Moore Democrat.

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26 Jun 2012, 2:43 am

there are more than two possibilities you know.


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26 Jun 2012, 7:46 am

Conservatives are very much into locking people down and into conformity in general. Von Mises argued that a welfare state provided people with too many options to escape certain circumstances when ideally they'd be locked down and forced to remain under unpleasant circumstances for the rest of their lives.



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26 Jun 2012, 8:03 am

NeantHumain wrote:
The workplace extols conservatives' virtues of hard work, joylessness (i.e., "stoicicism"), and deference to authority.


Oi, wait a minute, Stoicism aint that bad, it is just misunderstood.

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The ancient Stoics are often misunderstood because the terms they used pertained to different concepts in the past than they do today. The word 'stoic' has come to mean 'unemotional' or indifferent to pain, because Stoic ethics taught freedom from 'passion' by following 'reason.' The Stoics did not seek to extinguish emotions; rather, they sought to transform them by a resolute 'askēsis' that enables a person to develop clear judgment and inner calm.[18] Logic, reflection, and concentration were the methods of such self-discipline.
Borrowing from the Cynics, the foundation of Stoic ethics is that good lies in the state of the soul itself; in wisdom and self-control. Stoic ethics stressed the rule: "Follow where reason leads." One must therefore strive to be free of the passions, bearing in mind that the ancient meaning of 'passion' was "anguish" or "suffering",[19] that is, "passively" reacting to external events—somewhat different from the modern use of the word. A distinction was made between pathos (plural pathe) which is normally translated as passion, propathos or instinctive reaction (e.g., turning pale and trembling when confronted by physical danger) and eupathos, which is the mark of the Stoic sage (sophos). The eupatheia are feelings that result from correct judgment in the same way as passions result from incorrect judgment.
The idea was to be free of suffering through apatheia (Greek: ἀπάθεια) or peace of mind (literally, 'without passion'),[20] where peace of mind was understood in the ancient sense—being objective or having "clear judgment" and the maintenance of equanimity in the face of life's highs and lows.
For the Stoics, 'reason' meant not only using logic, but also understanding the processes of nature—the logos, or universal reason, inherent in all things. Living according to reason and virtue, they held, is to live in harmony with the divine order of the universe, in recognition of the common reason and essential value of all people. The four cardinal virtues of the Stoic philosophy are wisdom (Sophia), courage (Andreia), justice (Dikaiosyne), and temperance (Sophrosyne), a classification derived from the teachings of Plato.
Following Socrates, the Stoics held that unhappiness and evil are the results of human ignorance of the reason in nature. If someone is unkind, it is because they are unaware of their own universal reason, which leads to the conclusion of kindness. The solution to evil and unhappiness then, is the practice of Stoic philosophy—to examine one's own judgments and behavior and determine where they diverge from the universal reason of nature.



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26 Jun 2012, 8:08 am

xenon13 wrote:
Von Mises argued that a welfare state provided people with too many options to escape certain circumstances when ideally they'd be locked down and forced to remain under unpleasant circumstances for the rest of their lives.

Citation, please.



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26 Jun 2012, 9:51 am

Conservatism values inequality because it argues that certain people are entitled to more money than others.



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26 Jun 2012, 10:40 am

androbot2084 wrote:
Conservatism values inequality because it argues that certain people are entitled to more money than others.


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26 Jun 2012, 11:01 am

androbot2084 wrote:
Conservatism values inequality because it argues that certain people are entitled to more money than others.

And do liberals value equality because it argues that they are entitled to other people's money?

Stop with the misrepresentations already.



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26 Jun 2012, 12:01 pm

My concerns with conservatives is they fear -- change, truth, and science. Remember conservatives would still have us living in caves and clubbing animals for dinner.



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26 Jun 2012, 12:14 pm

The engine of economic growth is innovation--doing things better, faster and more efficiently. The engine of cultural growth is social change.

My objection to conservativism is resistance to change.


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26 Jun 2012, 12:46 pm

Sarah Palin argues that she is entitled to more money because god blesses her.



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26 Jun 2012, 12:49 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
Sarah Palin argues that she is entitled to more money because god blesses her.


Some gods did bless her. That's true. She has money.

But other gods didnt want her to have power so they transformed her husband into a crow. Only when she lost the election did they change him back. It was all hushed up at at the time. After he changed back there was a pile of feathers left on the ground. The Palins threw those feathers into the sky and that's where the stars come from.



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26 Jun 2012, 12:53 pm

Conservatives never lose elections. Once they succeed in planting their ideology in peoples hearts they have won.

Sarah Palin teaches us that as long as a person hoards money they will never go without clothes.

Liberals teach us as long as everyone has a job there will be no shortage of clothes.



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26 Jun 2012, 1:18 pm

You really cant' say conservatism makes the world worse because there are different types of conservatives.

I think of it like a kite.

Conservatives won't fly the kit, they like to keep it just where it is.

Liberals want to just let the string go and let it soar, but w/o an anchor it gets lost in the sky.

Both to the extreme as you can see, make the world worse.



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26 Jun 2012, 1:22 pm

thewhitrbbit wrote:
You really cant' say conservatism makes the world worse because there are different types of conservatives.

I think of it like a kite.

Conservatives won't fly the kit, they like to keep it just where it is.

Liberals want to just let the string go and let it soar, but w/o an anchor it gets lost in the sky.

Both to the extreme as you can see, make the world worse.


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