The Science of Lance Armstrong

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12 Sep 2012, 3:53 pm

Lance Armstrong's athletic ability is genuine and superlative. It is not due to the use of drugs.

If his VO2max were a result of drugs many more athletes would have registered as high as he did. In addition to VO2max in the 99th percentile his muscle efficiency is off the charts.

Read this article:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... trong.html

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12 Sep 2012, 4:00 pm

If he didn't use VO2max, would he still be able to beat the athletes that did?

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12 Sep 2012, 4:01 pm

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If he didn't use VO2max, would he still be able to beat the athletes that did?

VO2max is the measure of efficiency in metabolizing oxygen. It is the measure of a function, not a substance.

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12 Sep 2012, 4:03 pm

ok.

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12 Sep 2012, 4:07 pm

Saying that Lance Armstrong is clean is like saying that the Mr. Olympia winners are clean. He is genetically gifted, there's no doubt about that, but so are his competitors and most of them want the trophy so badly that they're willing to do drugs.

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12 Sep 2012, 4:12 pm

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By the way, his use of drugs was alleged and never proven to a degree that would stand up in court. Lance won the TdeF too many times and he became a target.

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12 Sep 2012, 4:18 pm

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Kurgan wrote:

By the way, his use of drugs was alleged and never proven to a degree that would stand up in court. Lance won the TdeF too many times and he became a target.

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Neither was Ronnie Coleman's drug use.

He is one of two professional bodybuilders to win the Mr. Olympia eight consecutive times.

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12 Sep 2012, 5:00 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Kurgan wrote:

By the way, his use of drugs was alleged and never proven to a degree that would stand up in court. Lance won the TdeF too many times and he became a target.

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Is there really a reason to care about this anyway? If he used drugs, I think it is as legitimate as being genetically better or as using low oxygen chambers to practice.

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14 Sep 2012, 7:36 pm

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Neither was Ronnie Coleman's drug use.

He is one of two professional bodybuilders to win the Mr. Olympia eight consecutive times.

That is grotesque. Lance Armstrong never looked like that.

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14 Sep 2012, 8:00 pm

The reason he gave up the fight is that there were a lot of people testifying about him behind closed doors, including his best friend in racing. If he continued it would all come out. This way he can pretend he didnt while basically admitting he did.

He raced at a time when many of the world's best were using drugs. And yet he beat them 7x without using them? How?

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14 Sep 2012, 9:20 pm

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Look at his medically measured VO2-max and cardiac efficiency. From a cardio pulminary p.ov. Lance Armstrong is Superman.

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15 Sep 2012, 3:30 am

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Lance Armstrong's abilities pale in comparison to the ultramarathon man Dean Karnazes. In fact, I'm surprised that Mr Karnazes isn't more famous than Mr Armstrong.

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15 Sep 2012, 7:50 am

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Lance Armstrong's abilities pale in comparison to the ultramarathon man Dean Karnazes. In fact, I'm surprised that Mr Karnazes isn't more famous than Mr Armstrong.

Has Dean Karnazes been the subject of independent medical and biological study, as has Lance Armstrong.

Please produce scientific properly vetted material to support your assertion.

Lance as been a guinea pig for doctors and biologists which is why we have good data on him.

Winning contests is proof of one's athletic prowess and tells us zero about one's basic biology.

The only scientific study I was able to find on Karnazes was does by the Gatorade Science Institute.

Please see: http://www.trifuel.com/training/intervi ... n-karnazes

You will forgive me if I am underwhelmed by the quantity and quality of scientific investigation of Mr. Karnazes.

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15 Sep 2012, 8:37 am

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Look at his medically measured VO2-max and cardiac efficiency. From a cardio pulminary p.ov. Lance Armstrong is Superman.

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If this is true, then is it really fairer for Armstrong to participate than if someone enhanced with drugs did?

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15 Sep 2012, 9:10 am

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If this is true, then is it really fairer for Armstrong to participate than if someone enhanced with drugs did?

We are talking about a highly competitive sport. What is this "fairness" nonsense?

In a bicycle race the idea is to win.

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15 Sep 2012, 10:16 am

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Neither was Ronnie Coleman's drug use.

He is one of two professional bodybuilders to win the Mr. Olympia eight consecutive times.

That is grotesque. Lance Armstrong never looked like that.

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This is because of two main factors:

a. He didn't work out like this guy

b. Long distance, high-intensity biking burns a lot of muscle. The secondary function of steroids in le Tour de France (after increasing the number of red blood cells) is to prevent muscle waste

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