Gun Confiscation = Civil War?
Coming into the 1900s, most countries had some sort of weapon registration laws of some kind going on. Not that it meant the countries were tyrannical, but it was simply done out of public safety rationale.
--- Adolf Hitler (1889-1945), April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitlers Tischegesprache Im Fuhrerhauptquartier 1941-1942.
[Hitler's Table-Talk at the Fuhrer's Headquarters 1941-1942], Dr. Henry Picker, ed. (Athenaum-Verlag, Bonn, 1951)
GunCite does not have the German version, but Hitler continues, "Indeed I would go so far as to say that the underdog is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order."
That is what is meant. You are right, in Hitler's case, he did take power "peacefully." Pol Pot not so much, but Pol Pot in fact did use gun owner lists to round up arms. Pol Pot himself didn't use legal guns, though, he just got arms from the Vietnam War going on next door. Cambodia had a gun registration system, like most nations do. Pol Pot when he took power took advantage of the existing laws from French Colonialism. http://www.mercyseat.net/gun_genocide.html
People being forced out of villages and cities were searched thoroughly, and weapons and foreign currency were confiscated. [105] To the limited extent that Cambodians owned guns through the government licensing system, the names of registered gun owners were of course available to the new government. [106]
I'm not going to argue that any nation with gun control is going to be a terrible place to live. Certainly not. There's many nations with gun control that are nice places to live. But gun control, once a tyrant takes power, can be very easily used to suit his purposes.
Gun confiscation *might* start a civil war. No one is talking about doing that, only talking about restricting the future sale of some types of weapons, accessories, etc. which has nothing to do with people's ability to keep weapons that they already own. As for a potential repeal of the 2nd Amendment, that's so unlikely as to be laughable. Repealing it would require a Constitutional amendment, and the barriers to amending the constitution make doing so practically impossible on any issue that is even remotely contentious.
I think what we're seeing right now is reactionary outrage to what happened in New Town. It will almost certainly die down soon. Even now, most people who have changed their minds seem to be rethinking what types of weapons should be allowed to be sold, not banning weapon sales altogether or confiscating guns that are already out there. In a few months there will be even less people with this issue foremost on their minds.
That is all true. However you have been seeing people like Bill O'Reilly and others take stances on this issue that they have never before. Consider that if people were not killing people with guns then no-one else would have any issue with gun-owners being armed to the teeth with whatever weapons they wanted. It's not actually weapons per se that people object to (tiny minority of hippies excepted), its the ongoing use of them to commit murder that is the issue that people have.
So perhaps gun owners and advocates need to be part of finding a solution to these problems, as the NRA has suggested.
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I think banning assault rifles would barely reduce gun violence. To begin with, ARs aren't used in crime as much as much smaller firearms. It may have to do with bring unable to hide them in your person. They are used in at it or less than 10% of all homicides.
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That may be true overall but in the crazy-man mass murders they seem to be a weapon of choice.
Let me add one more thing. Yes, banning ARs from gun store shelves sounds like a good idea, but black market ARs are plentiful and if a ban passes, more BM ARs would be sold to be used in crime or even any armed conflict. This is my opinion that is within the realms of reality.
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Banning any inanimate object is stupid. I won't elaborate here because myself and others already have in the current batch of "gunz-r-bad" thread.
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That may be true overall but in the crazy-man mass murders they seem to be a weapon of choice.
The chances of dying in a school shooting type of attack in America are literally one in a million.
You have triple the chance of dying in a traffic accident as being murdered in USA.
4.2 per 100K 12,996 total murders in USA.
Traffic fatalities in USA:
12.3 per 100K 33,808 total traffic deaths in USA
Am sorry but you Americans take your guns way too damn Seriously.
Admittedly if 90 out of a 100 people had guns in Northern Ireland we'd have our freedom by now.
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That may be true overall but in the crazy-man mass murders they seem to be a weapon of choice.
The chances of dying in a school shooting type of attack in America are literally one in a million.
You have triple the chance of dying in a traffic accident as being murdered in USA.
4.2 per 100K 12,996 total murders in USA.
Traffic fatalities in USA:
12.3 per 100K 33,808 total traffic deaths in USA
Shhhhh......
They don't want to hear that. It robs them of their case and more importantly their agenda.
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Admittedly if 90 out of a 100 people had guns in Northern Ireland we'd have our freedom by now.
We take our guns seriously because we don't want to end up in a similar situation.
It started with a gun turn in, now you have Closed Circuit cameras on every street corner.
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That may be true overall but in the crazy-man mass murders they seem to be a weapon of choice.
The chances of dying in a school shooting type of attack in America are literally one in a million.
You have triple the chance of dying in a traffic accident as being murdered in USA.
4.2 per 100K 12,996 total murders in USA.
Traffic fatalities in USA:
12.3 per 100K 33,808 total traffic deaths in USA
Shhhhh......
They don't want to hear that. It robs them of their case and more importantly their agenda.
To be fair, the type of emotional logic being displayed now is how encroachment of our civil liberties, killing hundreds of thousands of people in other countries, and being at war over a decade was thought out.
JUST SAYING.
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