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Will gun confiscation start the Second American Civil War
Very Likely 44%  44%  [ 19 ]
No 35%  35%  [ 15 ]
Just show me results 21%  21%  [ 9 ]
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22 Dec 2012, 8:42 pm

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Americans are naturally defiant, and that is part of the reason the US exists.

I have heard many calls for a UK style gun turn-in, much like the one they did in response to the Dunblane Massacre of 1997.

Any attempt to do anything remotely similar would end in utter disaster.


And look what happened!? Violent crime hits 100 year high in 2003. And some Londoners think that the London riots are more damaging due to lack of the right to near arms and overwhelmed police force.

As in VC spike, I forgot what source it was but some scholar thought that the Englishmen and women should be able to own firearms.


The rioters themselves would be far more trigger-happy than anyone nearby. We just need to spend more money on the police.


If I found myself living in the middle of a riot like that all the sudden I'd much rather have my beloved AR-15 handy than expect the police to do anything.
Their tendency is to break and run whereas I might not have that luxury. Moreover, I shouldn't have to leave if I live there.....
During the LA riots 20 years ago many people, homes, and businesses were protected solely by men with guns.
Need I say more?


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22 Dec 2012, 8:56 pm

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If I found myself living in the middle of a riot like that all the sudden I'd much rather have my beloved AR-15 handy than expect the police to do anything.
Their tendency is to break and run whereas I might not have that luxury. Moreover, I shouldn't have to leave if I live there.....
During the LA riots 20 years ago many people, homes, and businesses were protected solely by men with guns.
Need I say more?


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23 Dec 2012, 12:53 am

Raptor wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
NorthPark wrote:
PM wrote:
Americans are naturally defiant, and that is part of the reason the US exists.

I have heard many calls for a UK style gun turn-in, much like the one they did in response to the Dunblane Massacre of 1997.

Any attempt to do anything remotely similar would end in utter disaster.


And look what happened!? Violent crime hits 100 year high in 2003. And some Londoners think that the London riots are more damaging due to lack of the right to near arms and overwhelmed police force.

As in VC spike, I forgot what source it was but some scholar thought that the Englishmen and women should be able to own firearms.


The rioters themselves would be far more trigger-happy than anyone nearby. We just need to spend more money on the police.


If I found myself living in the middle of a riot like that all the sudden I'd much rather have my beloved AR-15 handy than expect the police to do anything.
Their tendency is to break and run whereas I might not have that luxury. Moreover, I shouldn't have to leave if I live there.....
During the LA riots 20 years ago many people, homes, and businesses were protected solely by men with guns.
Need I say more?


Not just any guns, they were AKs, ARs, bolt actions, and I saw a Korean guy open fire with what seems like a Beretta 92. YouTube video.

And no, 30 round magazines are not high capacity. You can do mass murder with bolt actions and double barrel shotguns! I don't condone it. Remember Cumbria?


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23 Dec 2012, 12:55 am

puddingmouse wrote:
NorthPark wrote:
PM wrote:
Americans are naturally defiant, and that is part of the reason the US exists.

I have heard many calls for a UK style gun turn-in, much like the one they did in response to the Dunblane Massacre of 1997.

Any attempt to do anything remotely similar would end in utter disaster.


And look what happened!? Violent crime hits 100 year high in 2003. And some Londoners think that the London riots are more damaging due to lack of the right to near arms and overwhelmed police force.

As in VC spike, I forgot what source it was but some scholar thought that the Englishmen and women should be able to own firearms.


The rioters themselves would be far more trigger-happy than anyone nearby. We just need to spend more money on the police.


What if they run away, like the LAPD, circa 1992?


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23 Dec 2012, 1:20 am

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Both sides are a bunch of rich guys
that is the closest to the truth


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23 Dec 2012, 2:38 am

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most republicans are blue collor working class from rural areas,not poor but the lower end of middle class.

most people who are very wealthy and have a lot power are radical liberals


I don't argue with the assertion that the rank-and-file of the Republican party are lower middle and working class. But the simple fact of the matter is, most of the rich and powerful in finance and business are not only also Republicans, but are the actual leaders of their party. The anti-elitist, NASCAR fan base, populist low church persona the Republican party is a fraud. The Republican party of today, with it's tax cuts for the rich, the cutting of social programs and education, and corporate welfare - just to name a few things - hardly represents the economic interests of most Republican voters. But the rank-and-file still vote Republican, because the leadership appeals to people's prejudices regarding boogeymen like gay marriage, fear of immigrants, Muslims, and - when racism was still acceptable - fear of racial minorities. And in the end, most Republican voters might get their gun rights, but little else.

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The republican party has what was a hairline fracture, but is growing, between the relatively libertarian tea party republicans and the neocons.


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23 Dec 2012, 3:17 am

John_Browning wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
most republicans are blue collor working class from rural areas,not poor but the lower end of middle class.

most people who are very wealthy and have a lot power are radical liberals


I don't argue with the assertion that the rank-and-file of the Republican party are lower middle and working class. But the simple fact of the matter is, most of the rich and powerful in finance and business are not only also Republicans, but are the actual leaders of their party. The anti-elitist, NASCAR fan base, populist low church persona the Republican party is a fraud. The Republican party of today, with it's tax cuts for the rich, the cutting of social programs and education, and corporate welfare - just to name a few things - hardly represents the economic interests of most Republican voters. But the rank-and-file still vote Republican, because the leadership appeals to people's prejudices regarding boogeymen like gay marriage, fear of immigrants, Muslims, and - when racism was still acceptable - fear of racial minorities. And in the end, most Republican voters might get their gun rights, but little else.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The republican party has what was a hairline fracture, but is growing, between the relatively libertarian tea party republicans and the neocons.


Where will a split Republican party leave conservatives of either stripe?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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23 Dec 2012, 3:36 am

what if ammunition or key [irreplaceable] components of ammunition were made much tougher to get/assemble? all those guns would be a lot less useful for people sans the talents to make do.



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23 Dec 2012, 4:00 am

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what if ammunition or key [irreplaceable] components of ammunition were made much tougher to get/assemble? all those guns would be a lot less useful for people sans the talents to make do.


They'd b***h about that.

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23 Dec 2012, 4:44 am

but which would be easier for a government to do- confiscate weapons or set up a framework to make ammo much harder to get/self-produce?



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23 Dec 2012, 9:50 am

auntblabby wrote:
what if ammunition or key [irreplaceable] components of ammunition were made much tougher to get/assemble? all those guns would be a lot less useful for people sans the talents to make do.
ammunition made in factories is less reliable and of poor quality,fish and game,the enviremental police and game wardens would never accept that.because if reloader was banned you would see more wounded and crippled animals that would die slowly and painfully.handloaded ammo is more accurate and powerfull ensuring fast,clean and painless kills on game animals


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23 Dec 2012, 12:44 pm

auntblabby wrote:
but which would be easier for a government to do- confiscate weapons or set up a framework to make ammo much harder to get/self-produce?


But wouldn't the boy ammo and the girl ammo get together, and reproduce little ammo? :lol:

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23 Dec 2012, 1:08 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
what if ammunition or key [irreplaceable] components of ammunition were made much tougher to get/assemble? all those guns would be a lot less useful for people sans the talents to make do.
ammunition made in factories is less reliable and of poor quality,fish and game,the enviremental police and game wardens would never accept that.because if reloader was banned you would see more wounded and crippled animals that would die slowly and painfully.handloaded ammo is more accurate and powerfull ensuring fast,clean and painless kills on game animals


Hand-loaded ammo depends on the skill of the person doing the reloading and the tools and components they use.
I'm hand-loader myself.
Most factory ammo other than some of that cheap Russian junk is of decent quality.
Federal Premium (one example) is of very high quality.


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24 Dec 2012, 2:33 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
But wouldn't the boy ammo and the girl ammo get together, and reproduce little ammo? :lol:
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since you brought the subject up, here is my stab [ok, my best shot] at an answer for your query-

sex and violence [WARNING- EXPLICIT CONTENT, viewer discretion advised]

this story is about mr. smith and ms. wesson, he was a big-bore blunderbuss, she was a pretty small calibre pistolita. they caught sights of one another and took stock of the situation and each other. one day mr. smith found ms. wesson rifling through his collection of shells. she then played with his bandolero, and when she got all the lead out she was colt inside her holster. this gave mr. smith the ammo he needed to set his sights on a certain little pistolita he'd noticed, namely ms. wesson. it was a very fine bead mr smith made on his target and ms. wesson was so impressed with his large calibre rifle grooves, she was more than happy to let him zero-in his volley on her bullseye. and a fine tight group she had, too. :wtg:

soooo.. to saw-off a long-rifle story to a .22 short, mr. smith used to be a bigshot around town, but decided to pair up with ms. wesson in a double-barreled over/under arrangement which allowed him to doff his jacket, as his days of shooting his seeds willy-nilly into the ground were long-over. after he blew his wad, he got a bunch of little BBs for his trouble. he went to get his firing pin snipped, so he just shoots blanks now. presently, every night all the other guns in the rack can hear mr. smith blasting away at the bullseye, regular as a gatling gun. she takes a powder, then afterwards she puts the primer back in his cartridge, then as he eagerly rams his cleaning rod up her barrels and swabs out her bores with vigor, again and again his muzzle flashes and lead erupts with a loud report.

bang bang :mrgreen:



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24 Dec 2012, 2:39 am

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
But wouldn't the boy ammo and the girl ammo get together, and reproduce little ammo? :lol:
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

since you brought the subject up, here is my stab [ok, my best shot] at an answer for your query-

sex and violence [WARNING- EXPLICIT CONTENT, viewer discretion advised]

this story is about mr. smith and ms. wesson, he was a big-bore blunderbuss, she was a pretty small calibre pistolita. they caught sights of one another and took stock of the situation and each other. one day mr. smith found ms. wesson rifling through his collection of shells. she then played with his bandolero, and when she got all the lead out she was colt inside her holster. this gave mr. smith the ammo he needed to set his sights on a certain little pistolita he'd noticed, namely ms. wesson. it was a very fine bead mr smith made on his target and ms. wesson was so impressed with his large calibre rifle grooves, she was more than happy to let him zero-in his volley on her bullseye. and a fine tight group she had, too. :wtg:

soooo.. to saw-off a long-rifle story to a .22 short, mr. smith used to be a bigshot around town, but decided to pair up with ms. wesson in a double-barreled over/under arrangement which allowed him to doff his jacket, as his days of shooting his seeds willy-nilly into the ground were long-over. after he blew his wad, he got a bunch of little BBs for his trouble. he went to get his firing pin snipped, and now he just shoots blanks now. presently, every night all the other guns in the rack can hear mr. smith blasting away at the bullseye, regular as a gatling gun. she takes a powder, then afterwards she puts the primer back in his cartridge, then as he eagerly rams his cleaning rod up her barrels and swabs out her bores with vigor, again and again his muzzle flashes and lead erupts with a loud report.

bang bang :mrgreen:


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24 Dec 2012, 3:55 am

I don't know about an actual war, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to be one of the poor bastards sent out to actually confiscate the guns. I also probably wouldn't want to be one of the politicians who voted for it or a member of one of the groups that agitated for it either.


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