Gun Confiscation = Civil War?
Giftorcurse
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The last time there was a civil war in the U.S., racist pricks made up almost everyone on both sides - at least by today's standards. Yeah, one side tended to be less racist than the other, but.... While most in the south favored keeping slaves, most everyone in the north would be horrified at the thought of allowing blacks to marry whites, to vote, or to be the social equal of the white man in nearly any way. Even Lincoln for a time advocated returning black people to Africa.
In any case, the better point is, if you think there won't be a civil war today simply because there's a shortage of racist pricks, think again, we've got plenty of them, and there's still a higher concentration of racists and the level of their racism in certain parts of the country as compared to others.
I answered Very Likely because (as per the question) I do think that gun confiscation would lead to a civil war. There are states in the union that would not put up with it, including mine.
However, I don't think we're going to see gun confiscation anytime soon. All this talk is mostly fear mongering. They may ban new production of certain weapons and accessories, but confiscation won't happen until after that followed by voluntary disarmament programs.
How's that saying go; "from my cold dead hands"?
I'd move. f**k it. In Japan I'd probably be able to own a 12 gauge shotgun if I lived there long enough anyway. And I'd not have to worry about, you know, a war? Even now you know there's a lot of civil strife in the air when cops walk around in body armor and with M16s and have APCs. And we have Soviet gulag level incarceration rates. In that perspective, a civil war wouldn't be a massive change of pace in good ol' Insane Asylum America. Just part of the master plan to have some more "terror" attacks from a different enemy, and further erode the rights of the American people so they're dependent upon their government for everything.
The only reason the American Revolution was won was because the Founding Fathers had enough self interest and basically thought it'd be cool to lead a country. The founders were only interested in their own power, not justice. Ethan Allen, for example, was in negotiations to give Vermont back to Britain, with him being the governor. And then with the Whiskey Rebellion, we ended up with higher taxes than Britain imposed anyway. I doubt anything good would come out of a Third American Civil War if one happened.
You also put too much faith in the American people. They do not care about the future at all. How many Americans would find a cool libertarian land a place they wanna live? Probably less than 5% of the population. Most of the population, if not working, want Obamaphones and food stamps, and if working, want to buy new cars and flatscreen TVs and go to the mall, and don't care about anything else as long as they can have those things.
Lastly, arms does not guarantee successful revolution. Not in the slightest. The only thing that guarantees that is collective will of the people, which as I said, we don't have. In prisons in South America, prisoners have guns and explosives. But they're still in jail. Why? Because they're too busy fighting amongst themselves to fight against their captors. They concern themselves with the day to day prison politics and do not see the big picture. Things are designed this way. Nazi Germany worked that way, people were rounded up and put in prison, and people just went "well, not my problem, they probably did something bad anyway" and hey, Hitler made the trains run on time and made Germany rich and powerful, why not like that?
http://www.economist.com/node/21563288
That is human nature.
I cannot imagine anything good coming from this Civil War scenario presented here, nothing at all but pain and misery.
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Grow up.
MKULTRA was a failed attempt by the CIA to create unconscious assassins for "wet work" during intelligence operations - not to shoot up schools, malls, or movie theaters.
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No we don't. Have you ever been here?
The majority of CCTV cameras are in businesses, like shops, petrol stations and banks, or on school premises. There aren't very many on the streets.
There are an estimated 1.7 million cameras in private property and an estimated 115,000 on public transport. This compares to an estimated 33,433 ran by the government.
There are around 250,000 street corners in Britain.
Jacoby
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Grow up.
MKULTRA was a failed attempt by the CIA to create unconscious assassins for "wet work" during intelligence operations - not to shoot up schools, malls, or movie theaters.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I have no reason to believe these killings have anything to do with MKULTRA
but lets not act like our government is above doing such things. Do not underestimate the evilness of the suits that roam the halls of Washington.
How's that saying go; "from my cold dead hands"?
I'd move. f**k it. In Japan I'd probably be able to own a 12 gauge shotgun if I lived there long enough anyway. And I'd not have to worry about, you know, a war? Even now you know there's a lot of civil strife in the air when cops walk around in body armor and with M16s and have APCs. And we have Soviet gulag level incarceration rates. In that perspective, a civil war wouldn't be a massive change of pace in good ol' Insane Asylum America. Just part of the master plan to have some more "terror" attacks from a different enemy, and further erode the rights of the American people so they're dependent upon their government for everything.
The only reason the American Revolution was won was because the Founding Fathers had enough self interest and basically thought it'd be cool to lead a country. The founders were only interested in their own power, not justice. Ethan Allen, for example, was in negotiations to give Vermont back to Britain, with him being the governor. And then with the Whiskey Rebellion, we ended up with higher taxes than Britain imposed anyway. I doubt anything good would come out of a Third American Civil War if one happened.
You also put too much faith in the American people. They do not care about the future at all. How many Americans would find a cool libertarian land a place they wanna live? Probably less than 5% of the population. Most of the population, if not working, want Obamaphones and food stamps, and if working, want to buy new cars and flatscreen TVs and go to the mall, and don't care about anything else as long as they can have those things.
Lastly, arms does not guarantee successful revolution. Not in the slightest. The only thing that guarantees that is collective will of the people, which as I said, we don't have. In prisons in South America, prisoners have guns and explosives. But they're still in jail. Why? Because they're too busy fighting amongst themselves to fight against their captors. They concern themselves with the day to day prison politics and do not see the big picture. Things are designed this way. Nazi Germany worked that way, people were rounded up and put in prison, and people just went "well, not my problem, they probably did something bad anyway" and hey, Hitler made the trains run on time and made Germany rich and powerful, why not like that?
http://www.economist.com/node/21563288
That is human nature.
I cannot imagine anything good coming from this Civil War scenario presented here, nothing at all but pain and misery.
Should civil war break out over gun confiscation, or even an AWB with no grandfather clause (chances of CW are slim though), I would TRY to emigrate out of the US and go to Canada. If I can't, well f*ck migration and pick up any recently criminalized assault rifle or weapon I can find and kill anyone who tries to kill me. In civil war anything goes, provided that it doesn't violate the Geneva Conventions, which may be broken a couple of times. I hope no CW breaks out over this (or any other issue), but I am willing to fight if I have no other choice.
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Admittedly if 90 out of a 100 people had guns in Northern Ireland we'd have our freedom by now.
I do acknowledge that a few people here and there are so defiant as to declare civil war, but there are reasons.
I found one. The Gun Free Zone Act of 1990 as it is now helped in the murder of 26 people in Newtown, CT.
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