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18 Dec 2012, 3:16 pm

So which is more ethical, free love or traditional family values?



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18 Dec 2012, 3:31 pm

It depends on Community Standards.

If the Community values free love, then free love is ethical.

If the Community values traditional family values, then traditional family values are ethical.


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18 Dec 2012, 4:00 pm

It's ethical to let people do as they please. Traditional people, but out of the free love people, and vice versa.


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18 Dec 2012, 5:07 pm

Neither is more ethical than the other.



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18 Dec 2012, 5:51 pm

For example younger members of the Oneida free love community claimed that they would prefer a monogamous marriage with a young bride or groom rather than feel an obligation to have sex with older undesirable people.



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18 Dec 2012, 6:17 pm

Rape is immoral. Pressurising people into sex is immoral. But I don't think free love has to mean that people are pressured into sex.



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18 Dec 2012, 6:34 pm

The Oneida free love community practiced pure Communism. Under this system the concept of ownership of ones own body was alien. Therefore in sexual relationships there was an expectation to give rather than to receive. Therefore it would be expected that there would be no problem with a man who was 20 years old to have sex with a woman who was 60 years old simply because this would make her feel blessed.

Of course if the 20 year old man objected I suppose the older woman could spit in his face and humiliate him and in this way the man could get out of his obligation but not without suffering the humiliation of not being a true communist.



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18 Dec 2012, 6:39 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
So which is more ethical, free love or traditional family values?

The ethical considerations for either depend on whether one feels free to choose, no one is harmed, children are supported, and all sexual activity is consensual/adult. If those considerations are covered, there's no ethical difference.



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18 Dec 2012, 7:09 pm

According to the laws of the land the only legal way that an adult can have sex with a minor is through a monogamous marriage which usually requires the consent of the parents and even this requires a minimum age. If this precept is violated the offending member will have to leave or this will result in the quick demise of the city.

Now considering choices, the community will be divided up into 2 classes of people called the choosers and the chosen. I am unsure which is the most elite class however however a chooser will have to have the unanimous vote of the chosen as being a desirable person. In this way even the chosen have a choice but only to vote in potential candidates. Only the choosers can choose a lover. The chosen can only attract a lover. The chosen will be instructed at a very young age to not reject the advances of their lovers but this is mental conditioning only and not physical coercion. All though there are no marriages per se there are weddings every day and a wedding feast will have to take place before lovers are allowed to have sex.



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18 Dec 2012, 7:27 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
According to the laws of the land the only legal way that an adult can have sex with a minor is through a monogamous marriage which usually requires the consent of the parents and even this requires a minimum age. If this precept is violated the offending member will have to leave or this will result in the quick demise of the city.

Now considering choices, the community will be divided up into 2 classes of people called the choosers and the chosen. I am unsure which is the most elite class however however a chooser will have to have the unanimous vote of the chosen as being a desirable person. In this way even the chosen have a choice but only to vote in potential candidates. Only the choosers can choose a lover. The chosen can only attract a lover. The chosen will be instructed at a very young age to not reject the advances of their lovers but this is mental conditioning only and not physical coercion. All though there are no marriages per se there are weddings every day and a wedding feast will have to take place before lovers are allowed to have sex.


This sounds barbaric and extremely outdated.



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18 Dec 2012, 9:16 pm

How so ? Even if an adult and a 16 year old can legally obtain a marriage certificate they will have to leave the city because marriage is not allowed and sex between adults and children is not allowed.



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18 Dec 2012, 11:10 pm

Anything that is ok with everyone involved is ethical....


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19 Dec 2012, 6:04 pm

I would argue that free love is more ethical than the traditional family values.



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19 Dec 2012, 6:09 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
So which is more ethical, free love or traditional family values?

androbot2084 wrote:
I would argue that free love is more ethical than the traditional family values.

How could WP possibly survive without the ever-present intellectual sophistication provided by androbot2084? :roll:



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19 Dec 2012, 6:24 pm

So what is wrong with asking a question I already know the answer to? i suppose it violates social rules?



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22 Dec 2012, 2:05 pm

With free love divorce is not a problem because if one decides to leave the group there are still plenty of lovers.