Egyptian family gets long jail terms for turning Christian

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I always did wonder what happened to the 'liberation' of the so-called 'Arab Spring' (ha ha ha).

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And the American and European left supports them.
So much for tolerance.

Yup. It's deeply disquieting and disgusting to see people who pride themselves on 'fairness', 'tolerance' and respect for minority rights getting into bed hook, line and sinker with the Islamic far-right.

Liberalism is basically a license to not have to make any sense.

Our European "president" Van Rompuy just promised them 5 billion euro for building democracy or some crap.

Considering that 84 percent of the Muslim population in Egypt favours the death penalty for apostasy (see page 14 in the link below), I'd say the family was lucky.

http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2010/12/ ... 2-2010.pdf

Well, you needn't worry.

Under the guidance of their new enlightened (and *very* eloquent at sophisticated speech, according to the link below) Ikhwan president, Mohamed Morsi, I am sure a new age of tolerance, love and friendship will be in store for the people of Egypt:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21037606

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GGPViper: Massive facepalm reaction is all I can think of in that case.

Good on MEMRI for setting the record straight. These people are invaluable in teaching the West what is broadcast and taught in Arab countries.

A lot of cultures are fine with Christians being Christians, but conversions are a no-no. Been that way for centuries.

Now that is uptight!

I also like making up assumptions about what my rivals support and despise them for how I think they support bad things.

What some apparently forget is that it is the conservatives of that culture (not the liberals) who are doing these terrible things.

I have seen a dictionary define conservative as "narrow-minded, intolerant, fearful of change." Seems to fit.

If by "conservative" you mean religious fascists, then yes.

I'm a conservative, yet I view this sort of thing with absolute horror. Most sane people would. This ruling isn't conservative, it's insane.



You pulled that out of your jacksie, didn't you?

No. I read that definition decades ago, and being autistic, I never forgot it!

And it DOES fit. There are even some brain studies that show that people who declare themselves to be conservative have larger "fear centers" in the brain than self-proclaimed liberals, so apparently FEAR is a bigger factor in the decision making process of a conservative person than it is in the brain of a liberal.

Intolerant? Many conservatives are proud of it. Narrow-minded? Ditto. They think their way is the best way for everybody, without appreciating or realizing that diversity in a population or a society gives strength, not weakness.

btw, I agree with many conservative principles about limited government, individual freedom, and the right to bear arms.

Where I disagree is the opinion of many that nobody in a society should have to help support anyone else in that society, or that the richest rich can get breaks that give them grossly unfair advantages where they don't even pay their fair share because of the lawyers and politicians they can buy, or that it is okay to rape and pollute the planet to make a quick buck regardless of the consequences for this or future generations, or the religious nuts who want to make America a theocracy in blatant disregard of the explicit writings of the Founding Fathers of the USA (who they claim to admire).

Also, conservatives more than liberals tend to be anti-science, greatly out of touch with demonstrable reality on subjects such as evolution or global warming, and that usually is because their sources (such as Fox News) spread more LIES than most other news sources. Most of those who argue against scientific facts such as human evolution do so because they are badly misinformed about this subject. And for those in denial of global warming, frequently that is because to admit it might hurt their pocketbooks. They don't give a flying fig about the planet or anyone else on it so far as I can tell.

I'm sure I could pull out a dictionary definition out of my ass of liberals being perverts*. In the UK of the 1970s, a prominent civil liberties organisation, including quite a few current Labour MPs, were calling for paedophilia to be made legal. Do you know who was opposing them? The bloody National Front! Yup. Out-and-out neo-Nazis.

I'm a conservative and a liberal, in UK terms. A classical liberal but also with some conservative preservationism (with an allowance for the welfare state), you might say.

By this definition, Saudi Arabia would be an impeccably liberal country, given that they don't have an age of consent, and disgusting, fat, sweaty old men can marry little children if they want to.



Perhaps those 'liberals' (many of whom I find to be a massive pain in the ass) don't realise when they should be scared of something.



After being told over and over again that you're intolerant, Islamophobic, racist, nationalist Little Englanders for so long by so many impeccably intolerant 'liberals' and socialists, you sort of get used to wearing the epithet with pride. After a while, the bile washes over you and I think it says more about the people using the slurs than about myself.



Massive fallacy.

I'm a conservative, yet I recognise that we all do and think things differently in life. You're probably referring to authoritarianism, not conservatism.



It depends. It depends how much. Too much diversity in a society is damaging to the society because people will just be different, won't come together, won't share common bonds, will see themselves as entirely separate people and groups for everyone else. We do need some diversity, but we also need a sense of belonging, of things that bind us together. I think a society that is based on that is better than simply worshipping 'diversity'. Yes, we need room for freedom of thought and action, but IMO being different shouldn't be a defining principle.