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28 Jul 2013, 8:09 pm

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/27/pornwall

Interesting, so it's going to be more than just porn, then? This changes the nature of the debate a bit. How are they going to decide what's dangerous to children? Someone going on a suicide website for instance, could be looking for people to talk them out of it.


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28 Jul 2013, 8:35 pm

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Most users don't exist in a state of perpetual trolldom.

A troll's reason for existing is to troll at every opportunity.

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On the troll scale you're probably a 7 or 8 out of 10,you often like to make outrageous right wing comments in order to provoke a reaction and I think you often exaggerate your true opinions (though I cannot be certain of course), but sometimes you seem to be reasonably genuine, and on those occasions you deserve to be treated with all the respect and courtesy that anyone else deserves.

Oh, I'm afraid it's too late now that you've let the cat out of the bag. :shameonyou:
You think my right wing opinions are trollery but I'm betting you don't see the inflammatory left wing opinions as such. Besides, trolls go after the low hanging fruit of a forum; the thin skinned, neurotic, and the egotistic types, or anyone else that brings too much of themselves to the internet.
I think the antics of trolls are quite entertaining, but if and when I do grow bored with them I simply don't read their posts.


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28 Jul 2013, 8:42 pm

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http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/27/pornwall

Interesting, so it's going to be more than just porn, then? This changes the nature of the debate a bit. How are they going to decide what's dangerous to children? Someone going on a suicide website for instance, could be looking for people to talk them out of it.

Web Forums!! ! So they gonna block Wrong Planet too!! ! :(



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29 Jul 2013, 3:56 am

Dear UK: I used to look up to you. Now, I'm afraid you've gone a bit off the deep end. Please see to it that you fire this idiot at the soonest election.

-- Love, a Liberal Leftist, not to be mistaken for one of those damned libertarians. Why couldn't they have chosen a better name, like Wingnut, or 'Hitler Blusher'?


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29 Jul 2013, 4:11 am

puddingmouse wrote:
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/27/pornwall

Interesting, so it's going to be more than just porn, then? This changes the nature of the debate a bit. How are they going to decide what's dangerous to children? Someone going on a suicide website for instance, could be looking for people to talk them out of it.


Why don't they just have an Internet Block and be done with it?



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29 Jul 2013, 4:23 am

Being a porn addict myself, I would be the first to tout it's nullifying psychological effects. Especially in the prefrontal cortex area. And don't even get me started on my opinion on women :wink: . Sure, I'm for a free internet, but it would be great if we could get something like this in the US.



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29 Jul 2013, 4:25 am

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Being a porn addict myself, I would be the first to tout it's nullifying psychological effects. Especially in the prefrontal cortex area. And don't even get me started on my opinion on women :wink: . Sure, I'm for a free internet, but it would be great if we could get something like this in the US.


You're saying you think less of women because you watch porn? I've never come across a guy say that before.


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29 Jul 2013, 12:33 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/27/pornwall

Interesting, so it's going to be more than just porn, then? This changes the nature of the debate a bit. How are they going to decide what's dangerous to children? Someone going on a suicide website for instance, could be looking for people to talk them out of it.


This could easily end up a major embarrassment for Cameron.



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29 Jul 2013, 1:45 pm

IM happy

Kids these days are ALWAYS doin bad stuff.

It gets themto do disgusting things as teens which will alter thier views of relationships, which will make an increase of AIDS and HIVS.

tRUST ME IM 11 SO I KNOW WHAT PEEPS Do

Most kids start viewing by 11 :(



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29 Jul 2013, 2:50 pm

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Dear UK: I used to look up to you. Now, I'm afraid you've gone a bit off the deep end. Please see to it that you fire this idiot at the soonest election.

He didn't win the last election either :P



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29 Jul 2013, 2:54 pm

ProudAspieChik wrote:
IM happy

Kids these days are ALWAYS doin bad stuff.

It gets themto do disgusting things as teens which will alter thier views of relationships, which will make an increase of AIDS and HIVS.

tRUST ME IM 11 SO I KNOW WHAT PEEPS Do

Most kids start viewing by 11 :(

HIV is declining in this country.

I have no idea if most of my peers were viewing porn aged 11 (I would probably estimate that most started aged 13 or later), but they're a lot less sexually active than the last generation to grow up without internet porn, as shown by the decrease in teenage pregnancies.

May I suggest that as an 11 year old, you don't actually know much about what teenagers do?



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29 Jul 2013, 3:26 pm

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but they're a lot less sexually active than the last generation to grow up without internet porn, as shown by the decrease in teenage pregnancies.


Faulty logic.

A fall in teenage pregnancies can be explained by other factors (i.e. better edumacation and use of protection).

For instance, the Dutch are generally known to be fairly liberal as regards to sex (especially in the recent past) yet their teenage pregnancy rates are low compared to the UK.



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29 Jul 2013, 3:39 pm

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The_Walrus wrote:
but they're a lot less sexually active than the last generation to grow up without internet porn, as shown by the decrease in teenage pregnancies.


Faulty logic.

A fall in teenage pregnancies can be explained by other factors (i.e. better edumacation and use of protection).

For instance, the Dutch are generally known to be fairly liberal as regards to sex (especially in the recent past) yet their teenage pregnancy rates are low compared to the UK.

Fair point. It was partly down to poor phrasing on my part. I should have said "sexually irresponsible" rather than "sexually active", though I think I'm right in saying sexual activity is also falling.

New STI data is not suitable because awareness of STIs (over than HIV) is rising and all sorts of initiatives have been started to increase the number of diagnoses. Self reported levels of sexual activity don't seem to be collected very often.



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29 Jul 2013, 5:12 pm

What exactly is the 'secret' of keeping teen pregnancies down isn't certain, but it is true that in Europe, the Netherlands is leading in preventing them. Scandinavian countries also do well, but it must be remarked that the abortions rates are higher there. So we have both low teen pregnancy rates and low teen abortion rates. Some statistics (fig. 2 sorry, they're in Dutch, but the chart should speak for itselves: VK = UK and VS =USA )

http://www.nationaalkompas.nl/preventie ... nationaal/

We think this difference is caused by a difference of approach as is mentioned next to the "figuur 2". The Dutch take a pragmatic approach. We want as few teen pregnancies, abortions and STI's as possible, but teens are teens and they are going to experiment with sex no matter what you tell them. Our approach is to take the taboo on sex away entirely. It's openly talked about in TV programmes for teens (moralistic people would be utterly shocked at the degree of openness) and in schools. We know they want to watch porn to see what it's all about, so they are informed which sites are fun to have a look at without getting into trouble (and what they shoudld do if they see something illegal like childporn). This should of course be accompanied by education about contraceptives, what to do if the contraceptives fail, but much more important: the social skills to deal with sex. It is thought (that is: "we' Dutch think) that the high rates of teen pregnancies in the UK and US are the result of a moralistic approach towards sex.

If you do not acknowledge that teens (or people in general, but teens are more vunerable) are going to engage in sex in one form or another, and that it is a natural part of life, it also becomes very difficult to teach the social skills to deal with it. It may be that American and British girls are pressured into having sex and have no skills to protect themselves against it. Partly this could also be a lack of knowledge. But if a girl doesn't know how to say no, or say yes but only if you use a condom, she could easily be victimized. And for the guys it's just as important to know how things work. Few, I suspect, would want to cause a pregnancy and if they're not educated in a way that's comfortable for them, they're just as much in the dark as the girls.



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31 Jul 2013, 3:13 am

I'd hate to detract from the UK/European sex education debate but in an update to the policy, Cameron recently confirmed that the UK porn block will extend to block out websites containing violence, alcohol, terrorism, smoking and what he deems esoterica... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/2 ... _ref=false He's trying to force this through before the end of the year.

Not helpful to quell Cameron/Chinese-government-style censorship comparisons, the BBC claims Cameron is in talks with Huawei, a Chinese company once under scrutiny with its connections to the Chinese Government: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/camero ... -50011823/ (though that said, Huawei is already a part of TalkTalk - an established UK ISP - so ... hmm, make of that what you will).



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31 Jul 2013, 10:19 am

Our all talking but never listening masters are yet again moving the UK towards a Big brother state. I mean why should we trust them when they clearly don't trust us, ditch these wastes of Tax payers money I say and bring someone who will hold down the law but not invade the public's privacy.