Do feminist like men?

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Exactly. And the standard comeback if a man points out that it's concern for the life of a human being is "it's not human!".

One consistent grotesquery of human existence is the expression of contempt of some for others by stripping them of their humanity. I'm becoming more and more convinced that those who persist in such absurdity are incapable of rational thought. And I'm not just referring to legalized infanticide. The irony of radical feminism painting men as inhuman or subhuman is without the reproductive role of men in some form or fashion, there'd be no feminists. Like it or not, we all need each other.

Well, you have to admit, though, that when people of our gender start lecturing their gender on topics like "legitimate rape", it doesn't exactly reflect very well upon our gender.

I like teh menz.

Mr AspieOtaku, has anyone ever accused you of being a drama queen?

It's strange that a group of people who have been the victims of bullying their whole lives, don't seem to sympathise with women who aren't enamoured with the male gender.

Of course women are bullied as a matter of course, as those men who aren't successful with women take it out on the entire gender, and those males who are beaten down and humiliated by the workplace, re-assert their manhood by bullying the women in their lives. This is the kind of culture that makes women hate men, just as many black americans who suffer prejudice from whites their whole lives respond by joining the racist NOI.

Any hatreds we harbour for each other are usually well justified as economic neoliberalism, and negative socialisation end up making villains of us all.

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Not yet surprisingly maybe paranoid, i decide to be somewhat serious about gender issues and i sometimes go overboard and get paranoid. I Dealt with a lot of bullying and sexism growing up it has kinda caused a wee bit of psychological damage I was never allowed to speak up against it, and instead ridiculed for trying and get punished for it. I had the idealism drilled into my brain that we males are dumber than women and there is no such thing as a smart man and that women are superior to men. I have been taught to be ashamed of being male and if I feel offended I am not allowed to speak up against sexism of my own gender only against women. Most of this idealogy was when i was in jr high and high school and afterwards the final blow was when i got involved in an abusive relationship which caused the final blow resulting in nasty flashbacks. Many years with lack of desire afterwards and deep depression.

But that is a correct assessment. Women who think that (myself included) do not hate men. we just realize that a man does not have the same stake in the abortion issue that women do, so his opinion DOESN'T matter. That has nothing to do with hating men. Women who really hate men would never risk getting pregnant by one.

Maybe. I won't touch "legitimate rape" with a 10 foot penis…er…pole. I take no issue with pointing out that for the sake of litigation there does need to be a distinction between something predicated on consent but not recognized by the legal system, something that CAN be legally consented to, and something forcible that would have been legal had consent been given.

I'm sure there's a good response to all the hate directed towards objections I've raised, but unfortunately I lack either the cleverness or the intellectual K-Y Jelly to come up with it in a short period of time, and I've been busy lately.

Wouldn't that make them "Feminists?"

I like most people I meet, including men. I *dislike* unearned senses of superiority and entitlement.

Wrt. abortion, men don't (or shouldn't) really have a deciding vote in the issue in the same way that women don't (or shouldn't) really have a deciding vote on male circumcision.

Only if the feminist happens to be a lesbian then she prefers gay men as friends. She might like an occasional straight guy but most likely doesn't like the majority of them. She might like guys who remind her of Kody Brown.

Feminism has created an unequal environment. If a man looks at an adult woman with the slightest bit of interest in his eyes, he is a rapist in waiting. However, if a woman sexually abuses very young boys for her amusement, she deserves pity and society should continue to enable her.

That is what I have experienced in my life.

Where I live, if there is evidence of that, women are tried and jailed just like the men. For reals. There is not pity for them. I don't know where you live but it has a poor idea of reality and justice if this is really what it is like where you are. You should write to your congressmen if you are in the states.

I'm pretty sure this was the attitude when the Patriarchy was virtually unopposed.

As for the second part, I've seen countless teachers go to jail for having inappropriate contact with teenage boys, so that's not true at all.

Such legal sentences are a mere formality.

I do not like it when so many people look at cases where boys are raped by women, and say that the boy really wanted it. Such statements are socially acceptable, however. And I really hate that.

I tend to see this sort of thing as a side effect of people believing that we're monkeys pure and simple and denying the legitimacy of anything that isn't rooted in animal instincts. The whole gender vs. gender is essentially a game of taking the other ('opposing') gender's evolutionary framework of instincts and psychologically slapping the heck out of them with projected intent thus not giving them the room to be human and... I don't know... just legitimately be there, care about people, and be finding other reasons to live than whatever some pop-psychologist would insist is their 'true' motivation based on prime-directives?

This is one of those things where yeah, I know it happens and I know it goes around but I don't even want to edify it's existence because to react to it is to take part in it (like fear of fear of racism and that whole faux pa circuit). I'd rather utterly ignore it wherever possible, be human to other humans regardless of whether they're of the opposite sex and within 10 years either way which is the 'uncomfortable' zone (where all the social rules seem to go inside out). It's a calumny to our value as existent, sentient, reading and writing beings.