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02 Mar 2014, 10:33 pm

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Seems kind of ridiculous to single out Obama. Bush "gazed deep into Putin's soul" and found a worthy partner. And yet Georgia took it in the teeth and Bush could do nothing. Just as Clinton could do nothing when Russia seized an airbase in 1999 during the Kosovo war. And frankly just as Russia could do nothing about anything we've done militarily. Does that make Putin incompetent? Or does the argument only work to take shots at your favored bogeyman?

The fact remains that the Warsaw Pact is dead and buried. If you told Ronald Reagan in 1984 that the Russian Bear would be boldly maneuvering in Crimea in 2014, he'd have laughed. What's next? A lighting strike on St Petersburg? I think the whole thing is embarrassing for Russia. But Putin still lives in the real world and unless he's lost his mind he'll only go so far.


It's funny that Bush looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul, as Putin was KGB, he doesn't have a soul.


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02 Mar 2014, 10:39 pm

Apparently Putin talked about a crucifix his mother gave him and that really lit Bush up. After all, if you say you are a Christian it must be true. It could never be used as a political tool to court a conservative electorate. Why gosh oh golly that would be dishonest.



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02 Mar 2014, 10:54 pm

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Apparently Putin talked about a crucifix his mother gave him and that really lit Bush up. After all, if you say you are a Christian it must be true. It could never be used as a political tool to court a conservative electorate. Why gosh oh golly that would be dishonest.


A Christian KGB man - yeah, right.


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02 Mar 2014, 11:06 pm

If I had to live in the USSR the KGB is where I'd want to be.


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02 Mar 2014, 11:10 pm

Putin when he was in the KGB.Creepycreeperson.
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02 Mar 2014, 11:12 pm

Another picture of Putin in the KGB.

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02 Mar 2014, 11:14 pm

simon_says wrote:
Seems kind of ridiculous to single out Obama. Bush "gazed deep into Putin's soul" and found a worthy partner.


Obama is the man in the chair right now... he is as singled out as a living man can get.

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It's funny that Bush looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul, as Putin was KGB, he doesn't have a soul.


Yep. Bush was loved in Tbilisi and I mean LOVED. They named a street after him but unfortunately it goes to the airport.... whoops

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If I had to live in the USSR the KGB is where I'd want to be.


That probably proves more than you would like.


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02 Mar 2014, 11:15 pm

He looks scarier when smiling.


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02 Mar 2014, 11:17 pm

91 wrote:
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If I had to live in the USSR the KGB is where I'd want to be.

That probably proves more than you would like.


No, not really. Even if it does, I don't care.


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02 Mar 2014, 11:24 pm

Why didn't you become a spook Raptor?


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02 Mar 2014, 11:26 pm

Do you know for sure that I'm not?


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02 Mar 2014, 11:28 pm

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Obama is the man in the chair right now... he is as singled out as a living man can get.


He's a President, not a Jedi. Diplomacy is the only tool anyone has with Russia and you can make an argument that engagement gives you more carrots and sticks to employ than a cold war. But it might come to a freeze now. We'll see.



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02 Mar 2014, 11:35 pm

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Do you know for sure that I'm not?

Do you know for sure that I'm not? :P


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03 Mar 2014, 12:24 am

Misslizard wrote:
Putin when he was in the KGB.Creepycreeperson.
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He reminds me of Mads Mikkelsen's Hannibal.



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03 Mar 2014, 3:23 am

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Why didn't you become a spook Raptor?


I sometimes wonder if Raptor is really some sort of undercover Chinese or North Korean agent.

He's so right wing he seems such a try-hard.


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03 Mar 2014, 3:24 am

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Putin, like many Russian hawks, knows a dove when he sees one, Obama has never really been able to internalize that Putin is a hawk with a worldview that is irreconcilable with his own. Its time for Obama to have a Carter 79 moment and start putting the screws to Putin. The comparative element to your argument is something I completely agree with, Obama is much better than Bush on foreign policy. Doing nothing is often better than doing the wrong thing and Obama gets that and I respect him for it. But it is really quite depressing to me that the comparison is between Bush and Obama, I mean, when was that the standard? Where is Truman, Roosevelt or Kennedy in all this? By those standards Obama is a massive underachiever as a leader on foreign policy, even if he is not a failure. American Presidents should be measured against the the very best examples, not the worst.


I am sure President Obama will go to Moscow and secure from Vladimir Putin a pledge that he (Putin) will make no more territorial claims in the Crimea. And thus, there will be peace in our time.

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