Is there any proof God exists?

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True happiness can only be attained by following the Will of God.

And that is precisely what I do friend; but I do not bow to the type
of patriarchal GOD you express here, ever.

My GOD is FREE.

I am a child of GOD;

Therefore, I am free;

and hold my head
high

too..

As any self-
respecting
Lion WILL
ON THE
SAVANNAH
OF
LIFE
FREE.

GOD AND
i work together
and NEVER EVER
AGAINST
EACH
OTHER,
AS MY
RELATIVE
HUMAN FREE
WILL DICTATES
FREE WITH GOD
FOR
NOW.

MY GOD NEEDS NO NAME
OR NEEDS, AS MY GOD
IS FREE.
ALL MY GOD DEMANDS
IS THAT I LIVE FREE
IN MIND AND BODY
BALANCE WITH
NATURE AS IS
EVOLVED
TO
BE
FOR
NOW...

Your God demands that you live free ? That is interesting.

How did he convey this "demand" to you ?

'Face to 'FACE', baby.

And trust me, OR NOT,
if you ever ever
'see', 'hear', 'feel or 'sense'
GOD with 'eyes' and 'ears'
THAT WILL 'SENSE'
AND 'FEEL'
GOD
LIKE
THIS
TOO,
YOU
WILL
UNDER
(:..STAND..

May well have been a devil you know.

Think about it. This thing wants you to do whatever you want. This in and of itself should ring alarm bells.

Would you to tell your child to go and do whatever he/she wants ?

^^^

Friend, I've already met both 'Devils and Angel's'
in real life, and the most powerful one's of
each, are me.

And to be clear those are both
metaphors of human reality
with GOD that are human
archetypes as some of
us have a 'fiery'
'devil' inside of
us tempered
by an 'angel'
with 'wings'.

Trust me, NO 'one' WANTS to TRULY see me 'ANGRY';
AS my 'Devil' is almost as strong as my 'Angel'.

IN FACT, NO HUMAN HAS, AS OF YET;

SEEN THE DEVIL IN ME; but me.

BUT my 'Angel' already WINS the battle for
my heart, soul, and spirit fully expressed

NOW over the 'Devil' that is me too.

THIS is the challenge baby, and if THIS ever
truly comes your way, then you will know
the GOD I know, all too well, personally,
too.

I don't have to bow to down to GOD,
AS I have 100% faith that GOD is ONLY
ONE GOD, AND THAT GOD
IS ALL OF MY MASTER
IN BOTH DARK
AND LIGHT;
SO, I NEITHER FEAR THE DARK
OR AM CYNICAL OF THE LIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS
TO BE
ONE
WITH GOD;
SIMPLE IN TRUTH AND LIGHT;
AND THE DARK THAT COMES AFTER AND
BEFORE; AND WITH DARK AND LIGHT;
IN HUMAN 'HEAVEN AND HELL';
THAT IS FULL OF 'ANGELS'
AND 'DEVILS' ALIKE,
AS human beings
AS
IS
FOR NOW..

And just to let you know, I am enjoying this
discussion but have to take my wife (:'ISIS';)
OUT
for her birthday, for the rest of the day;
and later my dance night comes, as well.

I'll be back later, to additionally
discuss, if you wish to do so..

And, in the meantime, here is another
theme song that I can relate to ALL
TOO well..

It's almost like 'Katy' knows
'me'; but she doesn't;
and neither do
'the writers'
for

'that'
either...

At least not,
personally....

actually, this effect occurs always, except if those 5 have impeccable memory; i recommend you try it.
or perhaps ask about events that happened a year ago, ask 3 friends that were there, and compare their notes and your own, see the difference.

human memory isn't just fallable, it's flawed

More nonsense, Arty. The thread title clearly asks for proof. But, as usual for your ideological cadre, you define/require "proof" according to impossible terms. You require "proof" according to your ideological prejudices.

Well, I could ask you to "prove" your ideology by your own Materialistic prejudices but I know that you can't and you won't. Your sole claim to "scientific" superiority is to harangue and harass anyone who dares to challenge your dogmatic ideological orthodoxy.

Anyhow, I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is.

Using your own prescriptions of what constitutes "evidence" and "proof", prove the contrary of the thread title.

If in the 1200's , masses of people reported that aliens visited the earth, then aliens really visited the earth.

There is no need for that; since no claim against the title was made in the original post.
The materialistic/scientific requirements for "proof" are steep indeed, but things have been proven according to those standards (evolution, attraction between bodies, absolute zero; to name some). If you cannot meet the expectations, you have a hypothesis at best, a definition which science holds itself.

Bold claims are made, but never named 'theory' or 'fact' without meeting the requirements of such claims.

1) You got an idea first, then try to show it works in a single situation, several times (to rule out false positives)->you got a hypothesis
2) You test your hypothesis against the other known situations it (might) affect; if it still works and manages to explain those as well, you got a theory
3) Now you can use your newly aquired theory to try against unexplained situations.

now, this is for explanations of effects; which can never be 'proven', but the effects themselves can; this is the difference between the 'fact' and 'theory' of evolution. Evolution itself is a fact, the theory is the explanation about 'how' and 'why'.

In this system, a diety is an explanation, not an actual effect, so it needs to follow the above steps to become a theory, but it can not be proven, not with the scientific method.

I will give religion the status of 'hypothesis', since it *does* provide an explanation to everything we see around us. a flimsy one, but since it can not be tested, it will not reach 'theory' status (and doesn't really deserve hypothesis either, since those require to be testable by definition, but i feel friendly today)



Riight... just like masses of people in the 1200's reported that the world was flat, so it was really flat back then, it just "became" round recently...

But you didn't answer my question.

Would you tell your child to do whatever he/she wants ?

Riight... just like masses of people in the 1200's reported that the world was flat, so it was really flat back then, it just "became" round recently...[/quote]

A report is a spoken or written account of something that one has observed. In the 1200's nobody observed that the earth was flat.

If you think that widely reported events are not factual then you are a rejector of science (knowledge).

I do not have any biological children, now, so it is a moot point for me.

But in a sense, I have many YOUNG female friends who are like daughters to me,
and I let them do whatever the 'Hell' they want to do.

And it helps that they are not biological daughters (all over the legal tender age of 18)
by the way, as that makes them free to 'bootie dance' with me, if they like to.

Yes, most of my female daughter-like friends are dance partners, with me too.

Keep in mind of course that I am married and the 'angel of my love' is greater
than the 'devil of my lust'.

SCIENCE SHOWS THAT LUST IS BOTH ONE OF THE GREATEST
INSPIRATIONS FOR HUMAN CREATIVITY AND PRODUCTIVITY, when set free.

And it's why Muslim countries will never ever equal what free countries
CAN AND WILL DO IN OVERALL, CREATIVITY, AND PRODUCTIVITY.

'T&A', FULLY EXPRESSED, SPELLS HUMAN PROGRESS, IN ALL THE STYLES
OF HUMAN CREATIVITY AND PRODUCTIVITY THAT 'COMES' IN OR NOT..

Yeah, hell YEAH; that makes folks like 'Miley Cyrus' with her 'wrecking BALL',
A FRIGGING HERO OF HUMAN FREEDOM IN CREATIVITY AND PRODUCTIVITY2!

SO YEAH, ALL THESE WORDS ARE A PROPERTY TOO, OF A FULL SENSUAL LIFE
WITH MANY MEMBERS OF THE OPPOSITE SEX FOR ME, IN BALANCE OF COURSE.

But my wife still Knows that I am alive, and get turned on by 'strange' women,
so she doesn't mind, as long as I keep my clothes on, and come home home
to her.

Most people might think that I cannot control this, considering all the photo-op
opportunities one might 'think' I have to do more than stuff with clothes on,
per blog links here, with literally over 200 legal tender girls smiling ear to
ear, excited by the muse of dance I do bring, to them;

However, UNCONDITIONAL LOVE IS MY HIGHEST POWER GIVEN by THE
ALL NATURAL GOD OF NATURE; THAT I EXERCISE
WITH DISCIPLINE AND FREEDOM.

I AM A BIG BOY;
A FREE BOY;

AND I NEED NO one, INCLUDING CULTURE,
RELIGION, OR WRITTEN ABSTRACT LANGUAGE
IN RULES TO HOLD my
HAND,
TO BE FREE.

IN FACT, I SUGGEST THAT THOSE WHO
MUST HAVE THAT TO SURVIVE,
ARE NOT
THE TRUEST SURVIVORS ACTING
WITH THE POWER OF GOD
INSIDE
ALL
INNATELY
INSTINCTUALLY
AND INTUITIVELY FREE.

But to each his own true will;

Life is about learning; AND culture,
religion, and human complex
abstract written language,
moreover, is a roadblock
NOW to TRUE human
awakening
and enlightenment ONE
WITH THE FORCE FO GOD!

AND IF YOU EVER GET TO
HEAVEN NOW, FORECAST
BY THE REPORTED GNOSTIC
JESUS AS NOW, ALWAYS NOW;

PERHAPS YOU TOO
WILL UNDERSTAND
THIS, AS
HUMAN BEING WELL..

I PLAY BY THE RULES OF THE ALL NATURAL
GOD OF ALL THAT IS.

NO CULTURE, RELIGION, OR ABSTRACT WRITTEN
LANGUAGE RULES ME @ALL AKA GOD WITHIN ME NOW!
aSONeFOrCeNOW!

AND TO BE FRIGGING CRYSTAL CLEAR, I ABIDE BY ALL LOCAL,
STATE, AND FEDERAL LAWS BY GIVING 'CAESAR'S WHAT 'CAESAR'
IS DUE, AS GOING TO JAIL, WILL MOST DEFINITELY TAKE AWAY MY FREEDOM.

AND ON TOP OF THAT most of those laws are reasonable, anyway, and I would
do what they ask, for the most part, if they did not exist at all, as most laws
are frigging common sense, anyway..

Astonishingly incredible!! ! If you could read or think coherently you would see that the "evolution" hypothesis has been falsified (shown to be philosophically, physically, chemically, biologically, mathematically impossible) and the only kind of "refutation" of the falsification has been a childish straw man of some silly make-believe thing you like to call "religion" set up for ridicule. Not only do you and your ideologically crazed mates not know your science but you haven't a clue about the "religion" stuff you deride with a frenzy of glib, gratuitous assertions and accusations.

I also challenge you, izzeme, and all your co-religionists, to "prove" with your own prescribed precepts that God does not exist.

It would be nice if God existed.

Let Him present himself to me.

Then I will have faith.

Your vision cannot grasp him.