27 Jan 2015, 10:36 am
27 Jan 2015, 10:46 am
27 Jan 2015, 11:41 am
Fnord wrote:
Faith is the belief in unprovable things.
Religion is the socio-political expression of faith.
Religion is the socio-political expression of faith.
Undressing CURTAINS IN LIGHT OF TRUTH NOW is not ALWAYS an easy thing to do.
I agree that many people look at Faith and Religion like THIS in BOTH historical and modern days,
PER Faith is the Belief in unprovable things and Religion is the Socio-political Expression of Faith
But Truly Faith is TRUST THAT RealITy makes sense AND HOW TO EMPLOY IT AS SUCH.
And Religion CAN be a device of human language that points to Truth.
And yes, once again, Religion and Faith in the Eyes and Falsehood of many folks
are simply ABSTRACT literary devices used to Oppress and Repress Human Nature
AND TO SUBJUGATE the herd for control through illusory FEARS.
So in other words:
Have faith in what I tell you OR ELSE.
So in other words:
Believe the tenants of this religion or go to prison
or POTENTIALLY BE KILLED.
THESE ARE the ways and RULE of human ignorance UPHELD.
The movie "The Book of Eli" illustrates the difference between those who uphold Truths
of Faith and Religion
VS the tool of Religion and Faith used to Oppress and Repress Human Nature
AND subjugate humans for control through Illusory FEARS.
Overall, the Political States of the Islam world STILL use Religion and Faith AS A TOOL this way.
But Western Countries are moving away from this sad STATE of affairs finally.
As I know YA KNOW.
My religion IS SIMILAR as my native American Indian Ancestors, per Sioux and Cherokee.
It is Dance and Song AND IT WORKS EXTREMELY WELL IN ALMOST ALL ASPECTS OF SUCCESSFUL HUMAN LIFE.
I HAVE FAITH IN DANCE AND SONG.
As metaphor:
First there IS Dark,
Then light,
Then movement or Dance,
Then sound or Song
Fueling movement from THEN ON
IN INFINITE POETIC EXPRESSION
OF REALITY AS IS.
TO DANCE AND SING IS TO REFLECT GOD.
AND a much better chance of connecting to HUMAN others.
And that my friend is my FAITH, Religion,
AND ENTIRE BIBLE in a NUT
SHELL
CRACKED SIMPLY OPEN.
JUST call me Master Chief Aghogday, HA! ha!
he HE!
AS linked here:
http://katiemiafrederick.com/2014/12/25/master-chief-aghogday/
And that's JUST a metaphor, of course; ALL OF THIS IN FACT.
IT WORKS for me, and that my friend IS ALL I NEED.
THE pursuit of Life, Liberty, and Happiness TRULY ONLY STARTS IN KNOWING
where one DANCES THE SONG OF LIFE PER LIGHT OF TRUTH
IN EXISTENTIAL INTELLIGENCE.
ALL IN just MY OPINON OF COURSE, on course, as IS, NOW, as WELL.
27 Jan 2015, 11:57 am
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27 Jan 2015, 3:34 pm
bearded1 wrote:
To each their own but I believe there is. In may I had a drug overdose and had 2 feet in the grave. I could not have made it out on my own.
Indeed. It was a serious auto accident for me. Not that I didn't believe before, but if there are ever moments when I doubt, it all goes back to that moment and what happened. I don't think I could "unbelieve" what I believe even if I wanted to or tried.
I think believers who are the most tenacious in their faith sometimes have those apocalyptic, earth-shattering events in their lives that affirms their faith to such a degree that the mere suggestion that there is no God at all seems like the most bizarre, absurd concept they've ever encountered. If you demand evidence, they're, like, just look around. The whole planet and the whole universe IS the evidence. How can you not see that? I can't speak for everyone, but that's how my experience has been.
Every now and then I like to drop in and participate in discussions on the topic, but my life is such right now I can't really tangle with atheists like I really want to. But just going by what little I've observed, for some the notion of God or any god is unpleasant enough that they really, REALLY don't want for there to be a god/God. I'm fascinated by the idea that someone can close their mind so completely to even the possibility. I prefer not to get into arguments with them. Winning arguments doesn't win souls. If you are honestly seeking and you want some questions answered, you know where to find me. Otherwise, I got nuthin' but love for ya!
27 Jan 2015, 7:28 pm
27 Jan 2015, 10:07 pm
Fnord wrote:
aghogday wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Faith is the belief in unprovable things. Religion is the socio-political expression of faith.
<INSERT disjointed COLLAGE of WORDS here>No problem, I use Facebook AND REAL LIFE for social communication.
And I use this medium for monologues, and also as dark inspiration for much LIGHTER free verse poetry in avenues where folks appreciate it.
Works for me.
I NEVER EVER EXPECT ANYONE TO READ WHAT I WRITE.
AND when they do it is fun too.
It MIGHT BE worth noting that I have almost a photographic memory for every single word I've both wrote and read on this Internet site. It is just another one of my Autistic Superpowers, before you suggest you haven't done something that you have proven otherwise to have already done on this site, in the irrefutable evidence of black and white text.
Knowing you the way I do, through WITH my highly DEVELOPED memory for text, I see it as highly unlikely, even with your own words, that you will admit you made a mistake.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=166108
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Fnord wrote:
While religion may provide a measure of social cohesiveness for primitive cultures, it's relevance as a social tool is likely less significant in a science- and reality-based society.
aghogday wrote:
I agree. However, it is evident that religion remains a social tool in non-egalitarian societies. Statistics provide evidence for this. While science is a significant part of Society in the US, it remains an overwhelmingly religious society.
Egalitarian societies in Europe have much lower rates of religious participation, but they also have far more social safety nets for their citizens, and National traditions for social cohesion. Evidently, many people in the US, find this in their religion.
There are many other potential reasons, but this is one that is clearly measurable.
Fnord Wrote:
No disagreement with this. It seems that the more altruistic, egalitarian, and socially-conscious a culture is, the less "need" there is for religion.
Religion is a form of mind control, using arbitrary doctrines to instill fear, to limit free thought, and to separate "Us" from "Them". These practices are antipathic to a progressive and free-thinking society.
When people are kept in a state of fear or anxiety, they are less likely to think clearly, and more likely to be controlled.
People should not be told what to think, but trained in methods of inquiry and reasoning instead. Religions do not encourage inquiry, unless it would expand on their particular mythologies, and a reasoning mind could easily find reason to discard religious doctrine as meaningless and un-necessarily restrictive.
Religious institutions may preach "Universal Fellowship", but the fine print always seems to define this as applicable only among like-minded believers. In truth, religions tend to divide the people against each other, based solely on apparent belief and public behavior. A person that asks questions, investigates claims, and proposes alternate concepts will soon find that his or her company is no longer sought by "true" believers, who will accuse the inquirer of everything from immoral behavior to mental illness.
In the current age, religious institutions may cause more harm than good.
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While religion may provide a measure of social cohesiveness for primitive cultures, it's relevance as a social tool is likely less significant in a science- and reality-based society.
aghogday wrote:
I agree. However, it is evident that religion remains a social tool in non-egalitarian societies. Statistics provide evidence for this. While science is a significant part of Society in the US, it remains an overwhelmingly religious society.
Egalitarian societies in Europe have much lower rates of religious participation, but they also have far more social safety nets for their citizens, and National traditions for social cohesion. Evidently, many people in the US, find this in their religion.
There are many other potential reasons, but this is one that is clearly measurable.
Fnord Wrote:
No disagreement with this. It seems that the more altruistic, egalitarian, and socially-conscious a culture is, the less "need" there is for religion.
Religion is a form of mind control, using arbitrary doctrines to instill fear, to limit free thought, and to separate "Us" from "Them". These practices are antipathic to a progressive and free-thinking society.
When people are kept in a state of fear or anxiety, they are less likely to think clearly, and more likely to be controlled.
People should not be told what to think, but trained in methods of inquiry and reasoning instead. Religions do not encourage inquiry, unless it would expand on their particular mythologies, and a reasoning mind could easily find reason to discard religious doctrine as meaningless and un-necessarily restrictive.
Religious institutions may preach "Universal Fellowship", but the fine print always seems to define this as applicable only among like-minded believers. In truth, religions tend to divide the people against each other, based solely on apparent belief and public behavior. A person that asks questions, investigates claims, and proposes alternate concepts will soon find that his or her company is no longer sought by "true" believers, who will accuse the inquirer of everything from immoral behavior to mental illness.
In the current age, religious institutions may cause more harm than good.
_________________
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professionals can make an official diagnosis of an ASD.
Online tests can not provide an objective ASD diagnosis.
27 Jan 2015, 10:35 pm
27 Jan 2015, 10:43 pm
Fnord wrote:
Okay, change "never" to "rarely ever".
Do you have to use so many capital letters? It's ridiculous and makes reading your posts uncomfortably tedious.
Do you have to use so many capital letters? It's ridiculous and makes reading your posts uncomfortably tedious.
IT is a MODERN literary device that works for some folks and not for others.
Sorry you do not like it but it is my way of freely expressing myself per my OWN creative ZEN Art of writing.
And on top of that I did not invent it; I borrowed IT from a very successful marketing person who posted here a few years back.
And the ignore button works well, as well, if you like.
BUT never the less, you exceed my expectations by admitting your mistake, and that is cool to me, as I always love surprises.
Thank you, and have a nice now.
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27 Jan 2015, 11:08 pm
28 Jan 2015, 12:03 am
AngelRho wrote:
bearded1 wrote:
To each their own but I believe there is. In may I had a drug overdose and had 2 feet in the grave. I could not have made it out on my own.
Indeed. It was a serious auto accident for me. Not that I didn't believe before, but if there are ever moments when I doubt, it all goes back to that moment and what happened. I don't think I could "unbelieve" what I believe even if I wanted to or tried.
I think believers who are the most tenacious in their faith sometimes have those apocalyptic, earth-shattering events in their lives that affirms their faith to such a degree that the mere suggestion that there is no God at all seems like the most bizarre, absurd concept they've ever encountered. If you demand evidence, they're, like, just look around. The whole planet and the whole universe IS the evidence. How can you not see that? I can't speak for everyone, but that's how my experience has been.
Every now and then I like to drop in and participate in discussions on the topic, but my life is such right now I can't really tangle with atheists like I really want to. But just going by what little I've observed, for some the notion of God or any god is unpleasant enough that they really, REALLY don't want for there to be a god/God. I'm fascinated by the idea that someone can close their mind so completely to even the possibility. I prefer not to get into arguments with them. Winning arguments doesn't win souls. If you are honestly seeking and you want some questions answered, you know where to find me. Otherwise, I got nuthin' but love for ya!
Yes, and I practically came back from the dead. TRULY my doctors referred to my experience as A LIVING MIRACLE.
Yes, a Phoenix from the Ashes and all the other metaphors for real life 'resurrection' too.
It's easier to naysay IT, if ya don't have PERSONAL proof.
And that's for sure.
We are certainly lucky to have these 'unfortunate' circumstances in life, as we sleep much more like trusting babies, every now of our life, as A RESULT OF IT.
And truly that's enough, right or wrong, as even to the staunchest Atheist, what one believes in LIFE IS WHAT COUNTS.
Human beings have THE POTENTIAL FOR incredible Relative Free Will AND IMAGINATION to shape their realities as Heaven on Earth.
To not use this GOD given ability is rather foolish, at least to me now, given ALL my experiences of life.
However, I'm not so sure everyone has the ability, AT least for now, so perhaps there is Karma after all, beyond our ways of knowing reality per ALL THAT IS.
I FOR ONE am blessed and Thank GOD FOR every second of Heaven in NOW, as well as all the pain and misfortune equally as such.
The Dark and Light aspects of Reality, MIXED AS IS, makes WHAT IS.
TO ACCEPT IT ALL for what IT IS, can simply be BLISS in GOD's Heaven now, at least for human beings, and in my opinion more likely, many other animals, other than humans who seem more likely to shoot themselves in their metaphorical foot, in the potential for Literal Human Hell on Earth.
28 Jan 2015, 12:27 am
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