LIFE; What is it?

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No. You, and they, are deliberately ignoring the guts of the argument which is that life is more than a mere accumulation of atoms.

Fantastic speculations and assertions do not make a live organism out of a pile of atoms.

NO, NOT me; I NEVER SAY AN ORGANISM
IS JUST a pile of Atoms; keep your words
to yourself haha! the ones you own
and not ones I say, my friend, now;

As Carl Sagan says in the video above;

The atoms are not the 'cool thing'.

The cool thing is HOW THE

ATOMS ARE

PUT TOGETHER.

SYNERGY is REALITY
of Fields;
particles
are
just
part
of 'these'
Waves that flow
to

an
ocean for now as is.

And all these words are
a reflection of that, as above
so below, rings true in all things
humans do; the secrets of life are
not secrets at all; they are in plain
view for those with 'eyes' and 'ears'
to see the patterns of reality from
Galaxies; to the flow of words
from a human who
escapes a life
of robot
way;
Yes, Sir;
I too, work
better as
integrated
than dis-
organized
pile of facts.
Life is much
more fun as living;
than atoms of static
in souls with no mind
and body balance with
hearts having little emotion
and spirits that do not sing
a song
of life.

it is more than mere atoms, correct. it's mere atoms + the Sun's energy.
http://phys.org/news/2015-03-chemists-r ... tml#ajTabs

Carl Sagan, and all your other prophets who must be "true" because they are saying what you want to hear, can make all the grandiose speeches, all the gratuitous assertions, all the fantastic speculations they like... but they will not change reality by a single jot. The impossible will not become a fact just because they, and you, would like it so.

Fatuous! There are lots of atoms that get energy from the Sun and are not alive. Life must be present before a physical organism can use the Sun's energy to sustain its life processes.

As above. Fantastic speculations, no matter what big-shot makes them, cannot change reality.

As far as I can tell, there has been nothing even approaching consensus as to what defines life. Life DOES not equal sentience, as far as we know microbes are not sentient, but they most certainly are alive. is replicating clay life? how about other forms of replicating minerals? Is replication enough or is more required for a definition of life. Certainly a cell is life, but how do we get to a cell? So much has been written about spontaneous formation, but is the the advent of life so spontaneous or is is simply a gradual progression from organic to biological chemistry. We have many many plausible scenarios as to how the first cells may have evolved, non of them complete but all strongly suggesting that we are getting closer to the truth. I suspect that the solution will turn out to be a conglomeration of many competing hypotheses. Another fascinating question is what came first genetics or metabolism, recent hypotheses suggest pre-rna metabolism which was able to carry information. Maybe we need a new thread as this one seems to be bogged down in metaphysics when physics and chemistry are what is required.

An almost clever attempt to side-track the issue. I have been at pains to demonstrate that life is a metaphysical stuff. That you assume that it is purely physical because organic life has a physical component does not match the observations of differences between live and dead organisms.
And I suspect that your crew will accept any "solution" that excludes metaphysics no matter how speculative, contrary to observations, or absurd, it might be.

Metaphysics? I think you mean metabolism.

HA! The name of this forum is PPR; NOT science, mathematics, and technology.

While there is a philosophy of science that can be discussed;

Or a 'Philosophy of Sports', as that is actually a class offered
in University; beyond the 'nerd' way of life; as a microcosm
of the culture of human life. Yeah; I take the class
in terms of developing my full humanity at school.

Eventually, after decades I look within, find all
the answers innately instinctually and intuitively
and now, not only am I fully human in mind and
body balance, expanding my physical intelligence
incredibly by view of other humans; they also
name me legend of dance and hero of dance;
and that's a SUPER COOL COMPLIMENT BY
OTHER folks in my own frigging species!

This is a specific thread
named "LIFE; What is it?'"

Whether YOU like it or not;
Metaphysics is part of Philosophy.

And Philosophy falls
under the acronym of PPR..

And the discussion of metaphysics in a question posed as general
as "LIFE; What is it?", is just as RATIONAL, in terms of philosophy
of metaphysics, as sticking to 'two plus two', in terms of science.
And the woo of today as science shows time and time again;
is often the science of tomorrow; science lags; as the tool
of the scientific method is slow and clunky, at best.

Grow your mind friend, beyond science;

you just might like it, OR NOT.

And mind and body balance is most definitely a larger whole of THAT.

Some minds have great difficulty doing this, as Simon Baron Cohen, per
science, does most definitely illustrate in 'his, et al', systemizing science
about
SYSTEMIZING MINDS.

ThERE are minds far beyond yours friend; and science proves that too..

And I'm sure there are minds beyond mine too; but 'some folks' say in
someways, there are not; as far as they look, so far; but
exploration is still an option;
smiles; grins; and winks..

The bottom line is
'you prove' thEre
is much more to
philosophy
than your words;
THAT should be
a given;
but....

Truly it's both fascinating
and amusing to me, and
predictable as well; that
so many folks here attempt
to discuss philosophy in terms
of purely systemizing mind and
actual study of science; there is
MUCH MUCH MUCH more to both
the human mind and "LIFE; what
is it?", than 'school 101'; period.

Much greater minds than yours;
including Carl Sagan under the
influence of hallucinogens readily
is humble enough to question
the validity of all science,
as that relates to the
possibilities
in the realm
of ALL Science.

But 'he' has nothing
to prove but truth;
when alive of course.

An honest person;
who is well versed in
all aspects of life is
not ashamed to admit
when they just DO NOT
KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS.

CARL SAGAN IS NOT
JUST A SCIENTIST; HE
EXPERIENCED IT ALL;
WITH
AN
OPEN
MIND.
In terms of
"LIFE; What is it?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysical_naturalism

http://blog.seattlepi.com/marijuana/2014/10/23/carl-sagans-long-lost-deep-thoughts-on-marijuana-and-the-war-on-drugs/#27809101=0&31507103=0

And yes; Carl Sagan is a big proponent of Marijuana to expand the creative 'mind of Metaphysical Naturalism' and even credits Weed, in his development of his artistic output for the Movie 'Contact'.

I don't need it; there are all natural ways to expand human consciousness; developed in ways of TAI CHI and other movement arts since before the dawn of civilization; when humans find the answers within;
with all natural innate instinct and intuition;
with ABSOLUTELY NO NEED
FOR TEXTBOOKS OF SCHOOL.

'LOOK' WITH IN; AND 'LOOK' AT NATURE IS
all the school 'they' need; and me too;
as far as expanding mindful awareness
in mind and body balance;
In the larger realities of
"LIFE; WHAT IS IT?".
In All the shades of
grey and hues of color
that 'multi-universes'
of Human perceptions
do most definitely come
in; as slow 'clunky scientific
method', does also show now.

Have a great now! It's all you get,
for
NOW..

And truly in A 'NUT SHELL', OF a
perception of a Universe, like me;
THAT MY FRIEND, IS THE ULTIMATE
MEANING
OF
LIFE; 'JUST DO IT',
NOW. EVEN frigging
shoe sellers get that FACT
CORRECT, everyNOW in the
philosophy of sports
stores; come
TRUTH,
IN NIKE
ways...

The Greeks included
Sports as part of
PHILOSOPHY; AND
OMG, are they
ahead of my
time..

Yes, they are;
but i and others;
are here now, too
with an 'Iron Grip'

ON bigger TRUTHS.

OMG; this is narrow minded thinking friend;
The statement that 'how its put together is cool',
is just an assessment of the beauty of the reality of nature;

You are 'hearing yourself barking'. That's obvious by now, in your opinions worded here; that your mission in life is simply one of feeling something; anything; and mostly defiance over anything you see in life that does not mirror your own image of what it is; that is both confining and not too 'smart', in terms of potential full human intelligences.

I do not expect you to be able to 'see' that though; for
more than obvious reasons. I suggest you read a
little Carl Sagan, per above,
and expand your mind,
OR NOT; as always;
that's your will
or prison friend...

And seriously; life with an open mind;
can be both incredible in thinking, feeling,
as well as flesh and blood action,
when truly hitting the
roads
of
"LIFE; What is It?"

It sure beats
barking;

at least,
for
me..

metaphysics is philosopy, not science.(they diverged a long time ago)

Heh, heh. I'm just not convinced that having a mind so open that it gets full of bats is a good thing.

No, I mean metaphysics. Metabolism is the physical part of organic life that needs the metaphysical life to make it work. If life is gone metabolism crashes.

I never wanted to be a primary school teacher saying the same simple things over and over again; but look what's happened to me now.

No. science is philosophy and philosophy is science. The physical sciences are but sub-disciplines in the great science of philosophy. If you get a ticket in chemistry it's called a PhD, which means a "doctor of philosophy". But, it's all so degenerate these days that all sorts of nonsense is sold as "science" and all sorts of nonsense is sold as "philosophy".

That you have. Now as someone who claims to be a stalwart of true science I presume if you have not done the experiments to prove this, then you would at least have the data from someone who has.