Are Young Earth Creationist stupid?

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natural plastic, I don't want to argue the point of seven days, but do see this part of Genesis CH.1 split into two halves.

...Yes ?

The dark haired people in contrast with the light haired people, called the gods.

Before the drying of 8,000 years ago, there are a people in Eurasia. They had the Human Explosion of 38,000 years ago, developed language, technology, domesticated plants and animals. They are the first people of the Mesolithic.

The rest of the world is as Paleolithic as it had been for several million years.

Who are the Black Haired People?

They are of the same line as the gods, except the gods then mated with Neanderthal 125,000 years ago, again at 80,000 years, and migrated north into the cold.

Shared traits of the larger group, thrown spear, throwing stick, hafted axe, and wavy hair. They reach from Australia to Ethiopian highlands. Australians were the most isolated after 40,000 years ago, so that is what the local Paleolithic people were like in looks and intelligence.

The warming that caused the Sahara was sudden, and hard on everyone. Even the people north in the highlands moved. Catal Huyuk 13,000 to 8,000 BP was abandoned then.

Sea level has been rising a foot in a hundred years, so 8,000 years ago it was 80 foot lower, and where the rivers flowed through what is now the Persian Gulf, appears a people who grow irrigated grain. There is no development phase, no Proto Sumarian, they appear with fully developed writing, a large vocabulary Indo European language, a system of mathematics based on twenty, sixty, three hundred sixty.

They build raised rectangular multi story houses in mud brick. They have metals, statues, musical instruments, gold jewelry, and a social order where some have high status. Their grave goods include all of the household goods and the staff of servants.

The local Paleolithic people who survived had the thrown spear, throwing stick, hafted axe, and perhaps a six hundred word vocabulary. They were a crop pest, eating the grain in the field before it ripened. They were also dangerous, animal strong, and killers of their own kind. If two groups met stealing grain from the gods, they would attack each other, making a mess in the field. They would also attack field workers, because they ate the grain from there.

The only answer was an organized hunt, a baited field, and slaughter. A few children were taken as pets, and grew into slaves. There were problems with males becoming adults and killing anything near. Females were less aggressive, and could be trained for field work and even household labor.

All human males have standards, they will only have sex with things they can catch.

The result of this mating was still considered an animal, but it was less of all things not liked about the wild version. It was a bit lighter in color, slightly smarter, learned quicker, could learn more, and was less likely to kill you.

They had short lives, half the life of a god. To them the gods were immortal. Their lives were shorter yet because problems came with mature ones, the desire to dominate, kill, have sex, so they were culled from the herd.

The gods knew a thing or two. Bos Primagenus the Aroch starts cattle, and they are all black with a white stripe down both sides of the back. By the time we get to paintings in The Hall of the Bulls, bulls are white with black spots, or have patches of red, orange, black, on a white background. Only selective breeding does this, and the first selection would be for bulls that did not kill humans on sight.

That one was bred to the herd, and his sons chosen for being people friendly. If not friendly, fearful, knowing humans with ropes could dominate them.

The gods tried, but were disappointed that none of their breeds came out white with black spots, or with splotches of red, orange, black on a white background. All they got was black becoming brown skin. Hair and eyes stayed dark.

They did get a docile male line, did breed up pens of field workers, expanded the plantings, and grew many times what would be needed to feed a few gods and a lot of slaves. 95% of what they grew was exported.

Most slaves were half breeds bred to half breeds then selected for traits. Some house slaves were bred to the gods once or twice more.

It was a working system as over the next thousand years the plantations expanded, new mounds were built to house new local gods, with their own pens of slaves and export grain market. The amount of grain produced between the rivers was massive. Along the Syrian coast, Turkey to Lebanon, was all planted in olives. Ship loads of olive oil were exported.

Our history has judged this from findings at Ur and Karnak, by the coast of the Persian Gulf. Hence the dating given. They did not consider sea level rise, and that those are the last towns of Sumer. Also, we know the warming from other sources, which makes the move to irrigated river farming several thousand years older.

This grain and olive oil business ran from 8,000 to 4,000 years ago without many problems. Then there were some slave revolts, three in 500 years, then the slaves were killed, weapons of iron, and Mount Thera dumped several meters of ash on the olives, improved climate made north of the Black Sea productive again.

Breed anything, you get traits you want and throwbacks to the worst. Overall the gods seem to have given up, as slave revolts became more common. When the whole economy collapsed, surviving browns scattered in all directions, in most they were killed.

Mount Thera ended a literate age and writing was forgotten for a thousand years.

willfully so.

Well, no, I don't believe someone is stupid for holding a harmless world view that differs from others. It takes a radical, unorthodox, modernist Protestant understanding of Holy Scripture to hold such a world view, but it doesn't make one stupid.

If there is a God, he could create the world anyway He wished. I suppose it could have been over billions of years, though I believe that contradicts the Genesis account. I suppose that a "day" could be longer than 24 hours, even though the Genesis account clearly states that "evening and morning" make one day. I suppose that the Genesis account could be poetic.

I personally do not think that the young/old earth controversy is a hill to die on. I hold to my beliefs (call me stupid if you will), but I don't think someone is not a Christian if they believe the earth is old. I also am NOT one who thinks that only a 6-day creation should be taught in school, if at all. So, definitely do NOT call me dangerous! (Great way to throw other Christians under the bus, BTW, Kraichgauer.)

I think Creation (whether relatively recent or long ago) is a miracle, something outside the normal happenings of the natural world, just like the virgin birth or resurrection.

I completely understand that origin science and evolution are *different*. However, they go hand in hand. If one is talking about how natural processes bring about such changes in animals where one can gradually change from one thing into another, it is not a far stretch to wonder how chemicals found each other in the exact right proportions to allow these changes to take place.

Evolution requires that the earth has always operated as it has now. We just don't know *for sure* that it did. I've heard some pretty compelling arguments about how processes would be sped up and lives would be longer given an increase in oxygen levels in the atmosphere. Faster processes would allow for a younger earth. A worldwide flood could also cause many of the geological evidence that most assume reveals an old earth. But, if one throws out the idea of a worldwide flood then they leave only one explanation for the evidence.

I have a lot of questions that make me "distrust" the theory of evolution. This doesn't make me stupid.

My biggest one is: how did humans come to dominate other animals? We take the longest time of all animals to reach maturity, and compared to many animals, we are extremely vulnerable. How did we develop minds of reason before we were wiped out by predators?

Not stupid. A skeptic.

If you are calling me stupid for not believing what you believe, it's not on *me* to prove my beliefs and provide evidence. It's up to YOU to prove to me that you are correct. You don't say "Hey, you're stupid, prove to me you're right." You say, "Hey, you're stupid, I'm going to show you why." If I don't think you've proven your argument well enough, sorry.

What I *really, really, really* do not get is how a whole bunch of people on a forum like WP who have all been dismissed in the larger world, being called stupid for not getting all kinds of stuff, like social interaction, are so easily able to turn around and call other people stupid because they don't get something you think is obvious. Unreal.

nerdygirl-

When did I throw anyone under the bus?