Page 2 of 15 [ 238 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 15  Next

The_Walrus
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator

User avatar

Joined: 27 Jan 2010
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,815
Location: London

09 Jul 2023, 4:49 pm

Lecia_Wynter wrote:
Rossall wrote:
Social Democracy FTW:

https://www.libdems.org.uk/


I am generally not in favor of democracy. Its just a dice roll really, leftists need to realize the Trump winning the election was a democracy.

Dictatorship is worse.

Give me Donald Trump over any dictator since 1900.



Weight Of Memory
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

Joined: 16 Jun 2023
Gender: Male
Posts: 317
Location: Florida

09 Jul 2023, 10:38 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
Give me Donald Trump over any dictator since 1900.


If those are the choices give me death, or the strength to kill.



Weight Of Memory
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

Joined: 16 Jun 2023
Gender: Male
Posts: 317
Location: Florida

09 Jul 2023, 10:48 pm

Lecia_Wynter wrote:
I am generally not in favor of democracy. Its just a dice roll really, leftists need to realize the Trump winning the election was a democracy.


Americans lack the intelligence and integrity to practice democracy.

The problem is there are no benevolent dictatorships. Too few pursue power for good reasons.

And no, power does not corrupt. Power reveals. When a person has the power to do what they've always wanted you see the truth: that deep down inside most people are as*holes, and those that aren't are usually naive.

We need to demand that every politician and business executive have the integrity of Captain America. With the end goal that everyone on Earth have that level of integrity. I'm not joking.



vividgroovy
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

Joined: 20 Dec 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 354
Location: Santa Maria, CA

10 Jul 2023, 12:03 am

Here's something from my odd fiction-centric perspective.

I've encountered people on the internet who think like what the OP wrote. I don't know if they're actual Communists or just posturing. They'll show up in a discussion of a mainstream, family-friendly film, TV show, book series, etc. the story of which reflects our Capitalist society and some of its flaws -- i.e. the rich picking on the poor. In the end, the heroes manage to pull off a happy ending, despite still living in a not 100% fair system. That makes these people furious. Seemingly, to them, the only acceptable happy ending in a work of fiction is "and then they overthrew the government and lived happily ever after in a Communist utopia." Anything else is "just upholding the status quo." They act shocked and confused that the corporations that produced these works of entertainment didn't give them all that ending.

I don't know what system is best. I've only ever lived under Capitalism and it certainly has its flaws. It's just when taken to these extremes, I feel like they're treating their ideology more like a religion. Same as with people who claim Capitalism is absolutely perfect.



RetroGamer87
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Jul 2013
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,993
Location: Adelaide, Australia

10 Jul 2023, 5:53 am

You might be a communist if you respond to any critism of communist states past or present with "But that's not true communism".

Image


_________________
The days are long, but the years are short


Weight Of Memory
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

Joined: 16 Jun 2023
Gender: Male
Posts: 317
Location: Florida

10 Jul 2023, 7:24 am

vividgroovy wrote:
I feel like they're treating their ideology more like a religion. Same as with people who claim Capitalism is absolutely perfect.


Perhaps the most frustrating thing for anyone who wants to honesty study socialism in general, or communism in particular, is Marxist theory. It's the most mind-numbing, tedious theological debate I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.



Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2008
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,113
Location: Stendec

10 Jul 2023, 5:59 pm

Weight Of Memory wrote:
Perhaps the most frustrating thing for anyone who wants to honesty study socialism in general, or communism in particular, is Marxist theory.  It's the most mind-numbing, tedious theological debate I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.
Karl Marx fancied himself a philosopher, when he was actually no more than a deadbeat, a freeloader, a womanizer, a drunk, and a bully who focused on material conditions and struggles between classes rather than on the refinement of ideas (thus the convoluted verbosity of Das Kapital).

He spend most of the money he coerced out of his friend on cigars, strong drink, and prostitutes.

Karl Marx was sometimes so broke that he had to pawn his only pair of pants, and could not leave the house.  How he got to the pawn shop again to get them back is anyone's guess.

:lol:


_________________
 
No love for Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranian Leadership, Islamic Jihad, other Islamic terrorist groups, OR their supporters and sympathizers.


Tim_Tex
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Jul 2004
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 45,644
Location: Houston, Texas

10 Jul 2023, 10:53 pm

My favorite Karl Marx quote should be plastered on every building in red states:

"Religion is the opiate of the masses."


_________________
Who’s better at math than a robot? They’re made of math!

Now proficient in ChatGPT!


RetroGamer87
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Jul 2013
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,993
Location: Adelaide, Australia

10 Jul 2023, 11:15 pm

But what was the opiate of Karl Marx?


_________________
The days are long, but the years are short


Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2008
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,113
Location: Stendec

11 Jul 2023, 4:16 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
But what was the opiate of Karl Marx?
Cigars, strong drink, and prostitutes.


_________________
 
No love for Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranian Leadership, Islamic Jihad, other Islamic terrorist groups, OR their supporters and sympathizers.


RetroGamer87
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Jul 2013
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,993
Location: Adelaide, Australia

12 Jul 2023, 4:17 am

Fnord wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
But what was the opiate of Karl Marx?
Cigars, strong drink, and prostitutes.
Sounds about right. Do be honest I don't think his character flaws or vices make his ideas bad. The best idea could come from the worst man. I think how his ideas have faired in practice makes his ideas bad.


_________________
The days are long, but the years are short


Fnord
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2008
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 60,113
Location: Stendec

12 Jul 2023, 6:47 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
But what was the opiate of Karl Marx?
Cigars, strong drink, and prostitutes.
Sounds about right. Do be honest I don't think his character flaws or vices make his ideas bad. The best idea could come from the worst man. I think how his ideas have faired in practice makes his ideas bad.
I also do not see a causal connection between being a drunken, chain-smoking womanizer who leeches of other people's income and property for his own benefit while refusing to engage in gainful employment because that would make him a dehumanized tool of the capitalist bourgeoisie and delay the proletarian revolution . . . nope, no causal connection . . . none at all . . .

:roll:

This little bit of eye-rolling sarcasm was brought to you Shearing-Lemon Investments, "Where the good money goes!"


_________________
 
No love for Hamas, Hezbollah, Iranian Leadership, Islamic Jihad, other Islamic terrorist groups, OR their supporters and sympathizers.


Tim_Tex
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Jul 2004
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 45,644
Location: Houston, Texas

12 Jul 2023, 6:55 pm

Some of the red states need a Pol Pot-type person to, ahem, clean house.


_________________
Who’s better at math than a robot? They’re made of math!

Now proficient in ChatGPT!


RetroGamer87
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Jul 2013
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,993
Location: Adelaide, Australia

14 Jul 2023, 4:00 am

Fnord wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
But what was the opiate of Karl Marx?
Cigars, strong drink, and prostitutes.
Sounds about right. Do be honest I don't think his character flaws or vices make his ideas bad. The best idea could come from the worst man. I think how his ideas have faired in practice makes his ideas bad.
I also do not see a causal connection between being a drunken, chain-smoking womanizer who leeches of other people's income and property for his own benefit while refusing to engage in gainful employment because that would make him a dehumanized tool of the capitalist bourgeoisie and delay the proletarian revolution . . .
A connection between being a drunken, chain-smoking womanizer who leeches of other people's income and property for his own benefit while refusing to engage in gainful employment because that would make him a dehumanized tool of the capitalist bourgeoisie and delay the proletarian revolution and what?


_________________
The days are long, but the years are short


RetroGamer87
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Jul 2013
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,993
Location: Adelaide, Australia

14 Jul 2023, 4:01 am

Image


_________________
The days are long, but the years are short


Tim_Tex
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Jul 2004
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 45,644
Location: Houston, Texas

14 Jul 2023, 6:07 am

Another communist dictator I liked was Enver Hoxha (Albania), the only world leader to have officially banned religion in his country.

He could have whipped Mississippi, Alabama and Utah into shape.


_________________
Who’s better at math than a robot? They’re made of math!

Now proficient in ChatGPT!