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02 Mar 2024, 10:44 pm

How Can Biden Stay In Now? - John Podhoretz for Commentary

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There’s a scene in the peerless animated comedy Monsters Inc.—a cable-news special report featuring Dr. Frasenberger, who looks like a giant pencil. “It is my professional opinion,” he begins calmly, “that now is the time…TO PANIC!! !! !” If I were a Democrat today, or a Never Trumper, I would be Dr. Frasenberger. Because now is the time TO PANIC!! !! if you don’t want Donald Trump to be president.

The release of a New York Times-Siena poll of the presidential race showing Trump up by 5 points nationally not only confirms the undeniable evidence over the past six months that Trump has pulled into a measurable lead in the presidential race outside the margin of error, but also that things are getting worse and worse for the president as the year 2024 progresses.

There is literally no good news for Biden in this poll. Let’s break it down.

First, the simple practical math. NYT-Sienna confirms results we’ve been seeing for months now. It features Trump winning by 4 nationally—and remember that even in victory in 2016, Trump lost the popular vote by 3 points. Trump has not historically done well in national polling. If you go back and add up the number of days in the 2016 and the 2020 electoral races, you find that Trump led in the poll averages on exactly 5 days out of 600—and never for a single day against Biden.

Now get this. On October 18, 2023, Biden and Trump were tied in the RCP average of all polling. Since that day, 135 days ago, Trump has led. Every single day. Not by a huge amount, mind you—his largest margin came on January 26, when he led by 4.3 points. As I write, his lead is 2.3 points. Still, the point stands. It may have taken him 8 years in presidential politics to achieve it, but Trump is now a steady polling favorite.

When people hate survey results, they usually say things like “it’s just one poll” or “it’s a snapshot in time” or “a week is a lifetime in politics.” It keeps them from becoming Dr. Frasenberger. Michael Tyler of the Biden campaign offered a ready response to the bad news: “Polling continues to be at odds with how Americans vote, and consistently overestimates Donald Trump while underestimating President Biden.”

I’m sorry, but this is simply untrue, and Democrats should not take false comfort. Historically, Democrats have overpolled in presidential contests. In 2016, the polling average overestimated Clinton’s victory in the popular vote, coming out at 3.2 rather than the final result of 2.1 percent. In 2020, the final Real Clear Politics average had Biden up 7.2 percent, but he only won by 4.5 percent. And the state-level polling in 2020 was in some races disastrously off—in the Democrats’ favor. The final poll average in Wisconsin in 2020 had Biden up by 6.7 and he won by only 0.7 percent. In Florida, the final average had Biden winning by about a point; Trump won by 3.3.

Well, this NYT thing is a national poll, you might scoff. The electoral college is what matters, and in 2020, Biden beat Trump by seizing states Trump had won in 2016 and securing exactly the same electoral vote total Trump had secured four years earlier. Biden prevailed in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania—the key states in Trump’s national political realignment—and seized the Republican-friendly states of Arizona and Georgia that had both gone for the GOP candidate in every contest dating back to 2000.

Fine. But look at them now. The only one of these states currently in Biden’s column is Pennsylvania. Michigan tells the dreadful tale for Biden. Trump won it in 2016 by 10,000. Biden won it in 2020 by 150,000 votes, or 3 percent. Right now, in the Real Clear Politics average, Trump is beating Biden by 3.6 percent. (And Nevada, which no Republican has won since George W. Bush in 2004, is now considered a swing state.) If the election were held today, Trump would win with 293 electoral votes.

Second, Biden is losing Democrats and swing voters. The potentially epochal result of the 2024 election could be the realignment of Hispanic voters, traditionally an overwhelmingly Democratic group. The NYT-Siena poll again makes clear what other polls have suggested over the past six months, which is that Trump’s strength among Hispanics is undeniable. I’ll let Jennifer Medina of the New York Times say it, since clearly neither she nor the New York Times wants to say it: “The poll shows Mr. Trump edging out Mr. Biden among Hispanic voters, with 46 percent supporting the former president and 40 percent favoring Mr. Biden….[It should be noted that] the poll’s sample size of the group is not large enough to assess small differences reliably. For a subgroup that size, the margin of error is 10 percentage points. But the poll, and others like it, make clear that Mr. Trump has continued to make remarkable inroads with Hispanic voters.”

46-40! When Trump was insulting a judge in Wisconsin for being Hispanic, or showing his love for Latinos by eating a taco bowl at his desk, who would ever have thought this possible? And that’s not the only jaw-dropping result among a Democratic constituency. African-Americans are still overwhelmingly Democratic, but…not quite so overwhelmingly. This poll puts Trump’s support among black people at 23 percent, with 66 percent supporting Biden. In 2016, African-Americans voted for Hillary Clinton by a margin of 91-6. In 2020, Biden won 92 percent. If the NYT-Siena numbers hold—and again, they are not outliers but confirm other polling of African Americans this year—it will be nearly impossible for Biden to design a winning coalition in November with only 2/3rds of the black vote.

Still, for the sake of argument, let’s assume Biden does succeed in reassembling the vast majority of reliable Democratic party members and voters in November. The NYT-Siena poll is still very bad news for him for reasons best explicated by Nate Silver:

“In the poll, only 83 percent of voters who say they chose Biden in 2020 plan to vote for him this year, whereas 97 percent who voted for Trump plan to vote for Trump again. These are swing voters, in other words…[and] these vote-switchers largely do not come from the core of the Democratic base….[So] if Biden is retaining only 83 percent of his 2020 vote overall, that implies he’s doing quite poorly with people who voted for him in 2020 but who are not loyal Democratic primary voters. Only about 75 percent of this group say they’ll vote for Biden again.”

Now, maybe they don’t really mean it. Maybe they’re going to come home to Biden eventually. That still indicates Biden is beginning the general-election campaign in earnest with a huge enthusiasm gap relative to Trump. And remember that Trump himself has an enthusiasm problem of some size owing to questions about his character and the legal action against him, as suggested by. Nikki Haley’s not-disastrous showing against him (even if much of her vote has come from people who never voted for Trump in the first or second place).

How can Biden improve his standing? This is the big enchilada, and it’s not looking tasty. We have every reason to think that he can’t do much to make things better and that his liabilities are not only baked in the cake but are likely to become more pronounced rather than less as the year continues.

What does this poll tell us about America’s views of Biden? Shane Goldmacher of the NYT summarizes the findings: “Only one in four voters think the country is moving in the right direction. More than twice as many voters believe Mr. Biden’s policies have personally hurt them as believe his policies have helped them. A majority of voters think the economy is in poor condition. And the share of voters who strongly disapprove of Mr. Biden’s handling of his job has reached 47 percent, higher than in Times/Siena polls at any point in his presidency.”

The election is in eight months. Could some of those voters be persuaded to think differently by November? Well, maybe, but the economic turnaround on these kinds of matters that benefited incumbents in similar circumstances actually had already happened by the end of February in a reelection year—meaning that voters were already feeling better about the country and their own prospects. I’m thinking of Ronald Reagan, who was viewed as a problematic prospect for reelection, until he presided over an economy that grew 5.4 percent in the final quarter of 1983 and then a staggering 8.3 percent in the first quarter of 1984. By contrast, Biden is, at the moment, presiding over a slowdown in GDP growth; the third quarter of 2023 did see a boffo growth number of 4.9 percent before the fourth quarter registered growth of only 3.2 percent. And the Federal Reserve of Atlanta is now projecting growth will slow still further in the first quarter, down to 2.1 percent.

The American people are sour on the state of things for a reason. Inflation may be lower than it has been, but goods still cost substantially more than they did when Biden took office—and any benefit Americans may be enjoying from the impressive wage growth they may have experienced has been immediately eaten up by higher food prices and higher interest rates and prices on big-ticket items like cars and homes. All of this can get better in the course of this year, but there’s no sign any of it will improve dramatically. And as was proved by the White House effort to make “Bidenomics” happen, with the same success Gretchen Wieners had in making fetch happen, you can’t talk people into feeling that the day-to-day difficulties of life are improving. They will either feel the improvement, have their mood lightened, and feel better about the country and its leadership or they won’t. Right now they aren’t.

And then there’s age.

If you dig into the crosstabs of the NYT-Siena poll you’ll find that there are a bunch of questions they haven’t yet released the answers to but will (I’m guessing) on subsequent days to keep their poll generating new news. I’m guessing those unreleased numbers have to do with perceptions of Biden and Trump on matters of age, competence, and criminality. And given that the results in this poll dovetail pretty well with the recent NBC News poll released three weeks ago, the age response is likely to be devastating for Biden. As Mark Murray of NBC News reported: “A combined 76% of voters say they have major concerns (62%) or moderate concerns (14%) about Biden’s not having the necessary mental and physical health to be president for a second term.”

It’s been said a billion times, but I’ll say it again: One thing Biden really cannot do is get any younger.

Thursday night the president will give the State of the Union address. The stakes are crazily high, because there’s no way to set the bar low. One false move and he’s done for.

But what does “done for” mean? I have no idea. No one can explain to me the modality of how Democrats would dump him from the ticket. That leaves it to Biden and his loved ones. The question is whether Biden himself is looking at these numbers—and in moments of clarity is able to discern the colossal humiliation he may be on the verge of experiencing, not to mention historical judgment that will be rendered of his feckless decision to hold on to the reins of power should he lose in November.


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03 Mar 2024, 11:49 am

How Can Biden Stay In Now?—Part 2

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Yesterday I asked, “How Can Biden Stay In Now?” after the catastrophic findings of the New York Times-Siena poll. Notable, though, in the Times’s reporting on the poll was how it did not cover the liability I think we all know is the primary cause of Biden’s slipping support: His age and cognitive decline.

Well, it turns out they just held onto that information until today (Sunday), for a second-day story that is maybe even more devastating than the first. Lisa Lerer and Ruth Igielnik report: “Widespread concerns about President Biden’s age pose a deepening threat to his re-election bid, with a majority of voters who supported him in 2020 now saying he is too old to lead the country effectively.” That’s a majority of Biden’s own voters. I’m not talking about a majority of the country.

So what does the country say? Fully 45 percent of all voters say flatly that Biden is “not capable of handling the job of president.”

OK, let’s play this out. You might object, and reasonably, that this question just gives Trump voters a different way of saying they don’t want or like Biden. Reasonable! But wrong. Voters were asked the same question about Trump, and logically that would have given Biden voters a chance to express their dislike of Trump in similar fashion by saying he too, at 78 and mixing up things at rallies and the like, is not capable. But only 19 percent say it, compared to the 45 percent who say it about Biden. Remember, these are the same people being asked the same question about both men.

As it stands, given these numbers, it’s staggering that Biden even remains competitive; this poll has Trump up by 5, not 15. With two new polls this morning (Fox and the Wall Street Journal) both showing Trump up by 2, the Trump lead is only 2.2 percent in the Real Clear Politics average. That should mean the race is a jump ball. But Joe Biden is not getting younger, and it’s doubtful he’s going to get more skilled—or that he will show a kind of focus and energy that will calm American fears he cannot do the job. Actually, it’s more than doubtful. It’s actually getting to the point where it’s unimaginable.

It is not remarkable why Trump is not ahead by 15, The main reason is Trump. The OP’s premise remains true. The polling shows Trump would lose more than a significant amount of votes if he is convicted of a criminal offense. I have some questions about the reality of that. The polls do not ask which offense. While not criminal offenses he has been “convicted”/held liable for sexual assault and real estate fraud without any drop in the polling. The Stormy Danials Hush Money case is the one most likely to be concluded before the election. It is also considered the weakest case and falls under the same personal business category as the cases he has been held liable for without damage to his poll ratings. We don’t know if Fani Willis’s unprofessionalism was enough to scuttle the fake electors case but it had to taint it public opinion wise. The leaves the two cases considered the both most likely to result in convictions and considered of most importance the classified documents and “insurrection” cases. Trump is having some success in running out the clock. For arguments sake let’s assume he is convicted of at least one of the cases before election day. These articles I just posted were not about legal correctness, or long term effects but optics. The optics of a conviction close to election day are awful. I have to wonder about the truly undecided and leaning towards Biden but shaky voters concluding that f****r is right they are out to get him, this is a deep state coup, becoming Trump voters.

I did get sidetracked the articles were about Biden’s optics. Not a neurologist here but the one argument that he does not have dementia or a minor case is that he does well with long speeches such as the State of the Union which comes up Thursday and nomination acceptance speeches. Despite all the jokes about him being in bed by 4PM these speeches are in the evening and last over an hour something sundowning patients should not be able to handle. Any major gaffe Thursday would be a disaster.

His “gaffes” occur most often at impromptu events. What is bad for him is that for the longest time only the most egregious gaffes were reported on. That is not the case now.


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03 Mar 2024, 2:09 pm

Difficult to wrap up criminal cases before the election when SCOTUS just gave trumplestiltskin a giant reach around by taking up the presidential immunity case to hear vs. just punting it as being f*****g ridiculous to suggest that a president can commit crimes while in office with impunity.. lower courts already wrote an apparently "masterful," ruling on the issue that some experts have said should stand.

But SCOTUS decided they would hear the immunity case.. which delays the beginning of the J6 case, and then Potentially helps get that demented orange re-elected, which would then give the 2 oldest judges a moment to retire and hand trumpty dumpty 2 more Supreme Court picks to help further stack it with far right lunatics. That would be bad, mmmmmkaaaaaay..


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03 Mar 2024, 6:54 pm



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04 Mar 2024, 12:22 am

^just let that play in the background. Didn't listen attentively to every word, but Jamie Raskin pretty much said what I expected Jamie Raskin to say.. "Wtf ppl? trump is a dirtbag X eleventy zillion. He should be prosecuted and regardless of the outcome he shouldn't be anyone's idea of a next potus."

But.. there's a reason trump said "I love the poorly educated," and there are a LOT of poorly educated Americans.. sooo, here we are watching Americans play Russian roulette with their freedom & Democracy. (Bizarre considering they measure quality of life in freedom eagles per smile or whatever)


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04 Mar 2024, 5:30 pm



Biden's stance towards Gaza and Israel is going to make his reelection a lot harder.


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04 Mar 2024, 6:32 pm

SCOTUS ruled that Mr. Trump belongs on state ballots.

One step closer to a win.

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04 Mar 2024, 7:09 pm

One would think Democrats wouldn't have that hard of time offering a candidate and platform with more widespread popularity than Donald Trump. It's like they're trying to lose.


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04 Mar 2024, 8:59 pm

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One would think Democrats wouldn't have that hard of time offering a candidate and platform with more widespread popularity than Donald Trump. It's like they're trying to lose.

It’s like they both are trying to lose.


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04 Mar 2024, 10:23 pm

Fnord wrote:
SCOTUS ruled that Mr. Trump belongs on state ballots.

One step closer to a win.

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That isn't exactly what SCOTUS said, although it certainly is the effect. They said that states cannot make the disqualification determination; it has to be at the federal level.


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04 Mar 2024, 10:30 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
One would think Democrats wouldn't have that hard of time offering a candidate and platform with more widespread popularity than Donald Trump. It's like they're trying to lose.

It’s like they both are trying to lose.


Not the first time I've felt that way about my political party. The deference the Democratic party gives to certain senior politicians is puzzling. The leadership seems to decide who the best candidate is and then becomes totally deaf to all the evidence otherwise, and any evidence the candidate can't win.

Biden has been a solid administrator and negotiator, but he excels in ways the public never registers. In politics, that is a problem. A HUGE problem.

And ... he's lost the young people by not taking a strong stand against what is seen as genocide in Gaza. Those young voters may know that Trump is worse, but will they go to the polls? It's strongly in doubt. I'm expecting a decent amount of "protest" voting in the primary, mostly by not voting at all (which isn't going to make the news, but that seems to be the stand; my adult kids are both politically active and tuned in).

Biden ran four years ago on the idea he would be a ONE TERM president. He was expected to hold to that and pave the way for a successor. He got in office and forgot how important that promise was. Trump hasn't forgotten. Trump has restructured his party and his team to his will and is posed to do incredible damage to our country while forcing Biden to be a one term president.

The courts are not going to save us from Trump; there simply isn't TIME. There never was enough time. Justice is slow, and Trump counts on it, and plays it to his advantage.

I so want to be wrong.


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05 Mar 2024, 2:37 pm



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05 Mar 2024, 3:49 pm

Fnord wrote:
SCOTUS ruled that Mr. Trump belongs on state ballots.

One step closer to a win.

:(

I heard some BTC clip that said scotus didn't rule that trump belongs on the ballot, but rather that they said it wasn't up to them and is up to Congress.. and so Jamie Raskin is making an effort to assemble the necessary troops in Congress to punt him off the ballot.


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06 Mar 2024, 9:36 pm



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07 Mar 2024, 11:11 am

^what video is that? Unavailable to watch from my country.


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