Sick and tired of identity politics
Yugoslav1945
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balkanize (vt): to break up (a region, a group, etc.) into smaller and often hostile units.
Earth currently has a balkanized civilization, due to being "broken up" into 193 countries, each with its own government, national identity, and preferred customs and cultures.
How this very real definition applies to Yugoslav1945's posts in this thread is anybody's guess.
I'm more of a culture war critic. I criticize the culture war and self-identity for being used as a product of clout and profit of the capitalist elite. It is clear that this sudden increase of people identifying as something else is not because of their self-determination but because of the liberal agenda.
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"In a socialist society such phenomena must and will disappear. In the old Yugoslavia national oppression by the great-Serb capitalist clique meant strengthening the economic exploitation of the oppressed peoples. This is the inevitable fate of all who suffer from national oppression."
- Josip Broz Tito (Ljubljana, 1948)
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Here is an example. Autism is a mental condition in which the person is characterized to have social impairment, is usually sensitive to certain things such as brightness, noise, and exhibits repetitive behavior, and in rare but severe cases indulges in self-harm. It is good that a lot more people are autistic than before but the question is their validity of such claim.
With the rise of the Internet, social media has become a base for the identity politics, especially Tumblr where it has lead to creation of new identities that do not conform to the normal standards. The problem is when liberal agenda goes too far and starts literally encouraging people to create joke identities, neopronouns, and neogenders, and then proclaim them as official under the guise of "freedom", "love", and "acceptance". Creating new identities is not progressive and is wholly sectarian and factionalist.
The emergence of factionalist groups based over new gender identities as well as mental illnesses has brought the question onto whether we provide validity to the increase of autistic people on this planet. There are still those who are undiagnosed and exhibit autistic symptoms. The problem is when social media becomes a hub for clout and fame and profit to appease the bourgeois elite. Many people on TikTok have false information on autism and it is a clear sign of liberal propaganda regarding self-identity and how it is ok to identify as anything even if it is a serious mental condition. Liberals are doing this at the expense of minorities and liberals are obsessed with minorities simply not because they feel sorry but because they find them more profitable for their own gains.
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"In a socialist society such phenomena must and will disappear. In the old Yugoslavia national oppression by the great-Serb capitalist clique meant strengthening the economic exploitation of the oppressed peoples. This is the inevitable fate of all who suffer from national oppression."
- Josip Broz Tito (Ljubljana, 1948)
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No.. no.. no, no no no!
You're reading it all wrong again! How does communism harm trans people? Communism seeks to unite all of the world into one global federation. No one feels hidden or threatened because we would all be working together at once to prevent global climate change and to travel beyond space (brr brr space communism). Ever thought of why the aliens in sci-fi movies are often more advanced than humans? Because these aliens achieved communism. Even the Babylon Bee (a Christian right channel) mocks liberals by having an alien explaining to people how aliens achieved communism through cooperation and equality.
Maybe if we didn't have to be so paranoid and say how communism is bad because it doesn't allow minorities or LGBT people to express themselves, then we would certainly live in an utopia and we would have cool technology like the aliens do. This may sound rather Posadist but I feel like that different civilizations far from Earth are probably looking at us and laughing at our inability to achieve communism because we're stuck with the identity politics imposed by liberals and reactionaries.
What do you mean "no," ? You literally just went on to explain how your ideal society would disallow expression of minority & LGBT identities. So, I didn't misinterpret you at all. You just doubled down on your bigotry.
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No for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.
I don’t think this thread is about politics at all. It seems more like yet another attempt to justify transphobia. It’s not cool to question someone’s gender identity.
“I’m not the problem. The problem is liberalism.”
Trans issues aren’t political issues. They are human rights issues.
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I don’t think this thread is about politics at all. It seems more like another attempt to justify transphobia. It’s not cool to question someone’s gender identity.
“I’m not the problem. The problem is liberalism.”
Trans issues aren’t political issues. They are human rights issues.
Ding ding ding, winner!
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No for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.
I don’t think this thread is about politics at all. It seems more like another attempt to justify transphobia. It’s not cool to question someone’s gender identity.
“I’m not the problem. The problem is liberalism.”
Trans people and allies: Could we make a concerted effort as a society to accept trans people? Trans people are ridiculed and bullied and it's a detriment to society to treat trans hatred as valid.
Trans issues aren’t political issues. They are human rights issues.
Ding ding ding, winner!
Trans people and allies: Hey so trans people are routinely demonized and bullied and ridiculed and it's a major detriment to society, so how about we as a society take steps to treat trans people with more respect and teach our children that it's okay for them or anyone else to be trans?
Transphobes: YOU are FORCING your RADICAL BELIEFS on FREE-THINKING, people who just want to be LEFT ALONE so they can NOT CARE about social issues that don't AFFECT THEM PERSONALLY.
Internally, I always pee my pants laughing any time a transphobes suggests that trans people are the "aggressors" in this fight of the culture wars. After all, WHAT has ANY social conservative EVER done to hurt ANY trans person, ever?
Off topic: OP kind of ignores that it was Serbian nationalism which led to the non-Serbs of Yugoslavia to want to breakaway. You make it sound like South Slavs in Yugoslavia all got along perfectly until those damn Croats and Slovenes and Bosniaks and Montenegrins got all uppity and decided they were too good for those poor, innocent, well-intentioned Serbs.
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- Brian Wilson
Δυνατὰ δὲ οἱ προύχοντες πράσσουσι καὶ οἱ ἀσθενεῖς ξυγχωροῦσιν.
Those with power do what their power permits, and the weak can only acquiesce.
- Thucydides
Politics, religion, and supposed science are often used to justify prejudice in its various forms, but they detract from the central issue as this thread has demonstrated.
Trans people just want to live authentically.
There’s no reason why issues related to gender identity should impose on us at all unless we have prejudice that needs resolving. I think that, perhaps, most people have some degree of prejudice or bias due to tribalism and environmental factors. It’s something that I think about a lot which has helped me to understand and contextualize human behavior.
However, I don’t like it when people claim that they can’t change. I strongly believe that if you are aware of prejudice (or whatever) you can change it unless you don’t want to. No one is obligated to date a trans person but tolerance and eventual acceptance would be cool.
Some of this could be a theory of mind issue. If we aren’t trans, some of us could struggle to know what it’s like to be trans, but once again, I think knowledge is power.
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"Identity politics" raises a red flag for me. For one, it starts stretching the use of the word "politics". What we are really talking about isn't government and economy, we ware talking about how we interact and get along with one another. Political actors make strategies off of this. And you know why? It's to keep themselves relevant and important. But that's a digression.
All of "politics" is identity politics. By definition, it includes how you interact to get control and influence. Breaking off into groups to collaborate (dare I say, conspire) to do this is as old as civilization itself.
To the OP: Don't hate the players, hate the game. And I get that you don't like the game. The game can change (but don't hold your breath).
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The worst part about Identity Politics is when someone believes they must 'represent' (v.) for their identity, especially when they basically say and do everything they can to remind you of their identity, without regard to any other social context.
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Political Stance: "I am voting for 'XYZ' because I believe that 'XYZ' is the best possible candidate."
Identity Politics: "I am an 'XYZ' backer, so you had better respect me because anyone voting for 'ABC' must be mentally deficient, and nobody respects a r****d. Besides, we who back 'XYZ' are going to own the 'ABC'ers when the Great Change occurs, and send them all to the 'MNO' camps to re-educate them . . . if they can be educated at all."
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K. I'm working of my phone so I'll try and respond as best I can.
For your Political Stance, I like and agree. No criticism.
For your Identity Politics: I'm sorry. I have to call you out. You put forward a bullsh*t strawman that you could knock down. The thing to keep in mind, is that the media we receive any more (and our political candidates, for that matter) are the equivalent of professional wrestlers. And every wrestler has a gimmick. The most popular gimmick today is being an a--hole. I cannot offer you much more. It's a sh-tty outlook right now. But attacking people for organizing based on their race, gender, sexualty is really being sh-tty to those people. Because they need representation and they need to fight for it somehow. You want to call it "Identity politics and sh-t on it, fine. The rest of the world will deal with actually addressing their problems.
Who are we to judge?
I appreciate that comment. I can't tell someone what to believe. I can argue with them how they should behave. The Constitution could use a revision, by the way... I don't know why we feel the need to treat it like our great grandmother's fine China. And as far as grinding the country into the dirt? Since when? Give me a year we weren't going into the dirt? Or when we would remember when you could be free (was that one Reagan?). .... come on. I know we're at a period when tensions are high, but there's literal wars going on that have nothing to do with these "Identity politics "
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“There's only one rule that I know of, babies - God damn it, you've got to be kind.”― Kurt Vonnegut
For your Political Stance, I like and agree. No criticism.
For your Identity Politics: I'm sorry. I have to call you out. You put forward a bullsh*t strawman . . .
Your man lost. Get over it
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Actually, I am adamantly against Trump. I have lost contact with family over this.
I have nothing to get over as far as the election is concerned. I'm sorry. I know the last years have been tough, but you don't help things by doing this. Develop a better plan, because if none of us do, things are going to get much worse.
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