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31 Mar 2024, 5:41 pm

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The classic thought experiment about the liberal and communist approaches to equality is something like...

Would you rather live in a society of 100 people where everyone has $5?

Or a society of 100 people where one person has $50, 90 people have $7-$10, and 9 people have $2-$4?

The first society is more equal, but most people are worse off than in the second unequal society.

There will be liberals and communists on both sides of the argument (as well as those who criticise the thought experiment), but generally speaking I think liberals will say that, when push comes to shove, reducing poverty is more important than reducing inequality - you can always tax the rich person more than the others and redistribute a bit of his wealth, whereas if you seize it all then it might hamper your long-term efforts to reduce poverty.


Liberalism defies reality with toxic optimism and segregation of communities. The longer you live, the more you learn, the more you will realize that what you have been taught by the American system is nothing but the capitalist liberal elite harming your mind into donating money to the institutions that claim to help minorities when it is the opposite of that and such money often ends up unknowingly stolen. The more deception and lies there are, the dearer will be Tito. Bestowed he did the Yugoslav land with Brotherhood and Unity and treasured it as if it were his golden child. When he died and no one looked after it, Yugoslavia lost its purpose because others refused to continue teaching it how to manage itself at once and combat fascism, liberalism, and imperialism.

We are living in a world where we must write history for history before us was never written by a divine entity that we do not know of if it even exists or not. What we must be aware of is that truth isn't universal. Everyone claims that they have a truth but they never caught it. The truth is far from being reached. I pursue the truth that is that we are all downright selfish to the point where we lash out on others for not being more accepting of fat people and we falsely accuse them of "fat shaming" without even knowing the proper definition of "fat shame".

I've lost a friend because she couldn't accept me because I had a hard time accepting her (yet I never did unfortunately) and she tried to make me pity her and make me feel insecure of my own self and my behavior. I resisted. I didn't want the type of person I was presented to. Even if she was kind to me at first, her problem came the moment she had to prioritize her issue and disregard my struggle and tried to tell me how she struggled more than I did, completely underestimating me and making me more uncomfortable because I simply do not fit in with these neurotypicals.

For weeks and even months, I've been crawling through the tunnel, yearning to find the light at the end of it, yearning to find the person I truly want to be with for the rest of my life. The concept of divorce and separation is rather scary but once you analyze who your friend really is, you have no other choice but to either keep going through the path of hell or break the chain and erase the oppressor from your mind at once through meditation and recovery with some time alone and some bonding with your close friends and family members.

Why was I presented with this emotionally painful struggle the moment I got a close friend? I did not cause it. I didn't even expect it. For the first time, I was introduced to something new that I couldn't accept no matter how much I dug myself into it. I felt helpless but I realized that I literally couldn't change myself over someone else's identity and I came to accept the painful truth that she had to go because she clearly wasn't fit to support my mental struggle.

The truth for me is a communist society. Achieving such is impossible and will never be done unless you try. Nearly two months have passed since then. Nearly two months without a close friend. Thinking about it demotivates me. Pursuing to move on and seek only ONE person that wants to be with me forever is the antidote to replenishing the curse placed upon me by the liberal scums who are the opium of the people. Empty promises they deliver. They're the ones responsible for corrupting a poor soul like her into thinking that she is something else. I am beginning to doubt that she even truly wanted to pursue for her own life as a different gender when she has consumed too much liberal material from the Internet and hinted at me at one point that she had some liberal views.

I have the right to doubt her pursuit of wonder because it is not the true wonder she pursues. Should she truly have had gender dysphoria, she could have at least expressed it her own way, not the way of the liberal capitalist agenda that forces people to do it. She never said that she did it on her own. She never said that she truly felt like it. She's simply following the example of someone else. I do have to say that following the example of someone else isn't necessarily bad because if we're following the example of a wise man then it is good. The only bad followers of the example are those who force it upon them in the name of "progress, freedom, justice, and unity" without even showing any empathy to those such as me who are struggling.

I believe that following the example of Tito is truly good. Tito had something to say wise enough and that is to never follow imperialism and focus on self-management and powerful muscles (metaphorically) to resist evil. Yugoslavia was kept intact because he was strong, self-capable, and wise enough to see through the barrier of censorship of what was exactly going on in the West and the East. We, Yugoslavs have been at most corrupted and deviated from Tito because of American and Russian propaganda directed against us since the fall of Yugoslavia. Those who begin to doubt the delusion of the Western and Eastern propaganda will know that the fall of Yugoslavia was a human catastrophe that marked the abrupt end of a journey that pursued happiness through sheer struggle fueled with self-preservation and the need for progress that is motivated by wisdom of one man that was Tito.

Yugoslavia was the beginning of defiance against the norms of the two imperialist forces. Now, it shall spread throughout the world. Many will rise and overthrow the capitalist regimes at once and begin a world journey pursuing for self-determination and the will to cooperate in the common struggle and the common goal of achieving progress and totality of all humankind. It is a hard task but with the right minds and right words, it can be executed.

All I ask is for one friend who will understand me. If not, then I will not let them tear me down further. If I can't seek for acceptance, I shall seek for power and establishing a safe zone of my own and look for like-minded people and establish my own Yugoslavia and not let the norms of the West and the East interfere against me! Do remember however that the common identity that is human is not a Yugoslav thing. The universal identity is not Yugoslavia. It is the wisdom of all humanity that the common identity bears for us and if we all were to use it, we would have lived in a better place.

All I want is just one person who will understand me. I do not want everyone to respect me if some don't want to. I just want one person and a small group in my own circle and nothing else. I want my own communist party and so I want my own Yugoslavia that is best fit for me and does not exert harm over others of different identities unless their identities are harm to others (e.g - Liberalism, Nationalism, Nazism, Fascism, Chauvinism, etc.). Certain identities are not to be tolerated as mentioned in the example because they do not seek for happiness from one to all but only seek for happiness of oneself.

The "overman" who has transcended the reality that is nothing but absurd and dull, is the same man who will reshape all with his unchallenged wisdom. One overman will rule them all and we will all come to a better place. Our differences will be put aside because we need to know that our own personal matters are personal matters and are therefore not a public matter. Public matters like affirming care for mentally unwell, security, free healthcare, free education, are important. Personal things like mental health conditions we suffer from are not just our own individual struggles, but it is the common struggle for we all have a mental condition called "blindness" because we're all blinded by the wall of delusion and fallacy until we tear it down like the Berlin Wall and hug one another from different ends, putting an end to this curtain once and for all.

From Yugoslavia, to the World!

There's... a lot here.

Firstly I sympathise more than you can imagine about losing a friend.

It sounds like your friend expressed that she is trans, you saw this as an expression of the liberal capitalist agenda, and this caused your friendship to break up. Is that correct, or have I misunderstood?



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31 Mar 2024, 6:14 pm

*He is trans, but the rest seems on point.

He’s frustrated that individuality allows for the existence of trans people and others and would prefer a society that suppresses individuality so that he can get along with a bunch of like people much more easily. That’s the summary I take of it, anyways.


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31 Mar 2024, 8:26 pm

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We will achieve communism only if we put differences aside and realize that identity is just an identity and has no greater or lesser value than communism itself. I have my identity which is being a Yugoslav and a tankie, but what I want is Brotherhood and Unity for all. My identity is not superior nor inferior but many people from the outside misinterpret it as such either due to fear, moral panic, propaganda, manipulation, and persecution. I am among the very few people who are being persecuted for wanting to achieve a true communist society.


Very noble aspirations, I think you will find middle class idealists Like a young Karl Marx were sitting in coffee houses of Europe in the 19th century saying exactly the same things as you. 150 years later....little progress and those being exploited by the wealthy and living in poverty have increased 10 fold.



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01 Apr 2024, 3:11 am

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Your rant reads like a defence mechanism not wanting to accept, process, and deal with your autistic social deficits. Easier for you to daydream about forcing everyone to be and think the same as you so you can have friends than it is to accept that the only person you can change is You and that your best course of action is to learn from your mistakes and try and try again to make and keep friends in your life. There are quite a few different ways people on the spectrum can learn and improve social skills. You’d be doing yourself a better service exploring those things vs ranting that everyone else should change to become easier for you to befriend.


Although I did indeed rant, it is still not true that I want everyone to be the same. I simply requested for "one person" to understand me, not everyone to have similar traits as me. Yes, I do have to keep trying which is what I must do if I'm ever going to make friends. I do have made some progress by getting a nice friend on the Internet but in real life, it's still a major issue since I feel rather shy to interact with people in real life. Talking in real life isn't really easy but I can still strike up some conversation with my classmates.


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01 Apr 2024, 3:14 am

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He’s frustrated that individuality allows for the existence of trans people and others and would prefer a society that suppresses individuality so that he can get along with a bunch of like people much more easily. That’s the summary I take of it, anyways.


The problem is not trans people. The problem is how individuality is being abused by liberal politics that encourage this dangerous level of toxicity by claiming to promote "freedom" at the expense of others who do not agree with liberal politics. If we really want to be free, shouldn't we acknowledge and accept others and not force them to accept us if they can't accept who we are? This is the main problem I was faced with. I was forced to accept someone against my will and even when I tried to accept them, I still felt suppressed by my worldview mechanism. I had to end the friendship because it harmed me greatly that they didn't understand my main issue regarding the toxicity over the self-identity imposed by the liberals.


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01 Apr 2024, 3:26 am

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There's... a lot here.

Firstly I sympathise more than you can imagine about losing a friend.

It sounds like your friend expressed that she is trans, you saw this as an expression of the liberal capitalist agenda, and this caused your friendship to break up. Is that correct, or have I misunderstood?


Well to clarify, I never really got to understand the gender dysphoric struggle that they had because I was rather new to the concept of gender dysphoria. Yes, I was aware that they wanted to become a man but my mindset was simply too narrow to open up to something so radical as I perceived. After numerous tries of attempting to accept the fact and failing miserably, I simply couldn't continue the friendship and had to end it for real, not wanting them to be harmed by my inability. It was before I even ended the friendship that they began to distance themselves from me knowing that I failed constantly and I simply gave up even trying.

After nearly two months since breaking off, I began to question the validity of their gender dysphoria and whether they truly had it or it was imposed by liberalism.


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01 Apr 2024, 4:15 am

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We will achieve communism only if we put differences aside and realize that identity is just an identity and has no greater or lesser value than communism itself. I have my identity which is being a Yugoslav and a tankie, but what I want is Brotherhood and Unity for all. My identity is not superior nor inferior but many people from the outside misinterpret it as such either due to fear, moral panic, propaganda, manipulation, and persecution. I am among the very few people who are being persecuted for wanting to achieve a true communist society.


Very noble aspirations, I think you will find middle class idealists Like a young Karl Marx were sitting in coffee houses of Europe in the 19th century saying exactly the same things as you. 150 years later....little progress and those being exploited by the wealthy and living in poverty have increased 10 fold.


Interesting. Just as I said, there are people who will misinterpret my worldview and claim how I want everyone to be same despite me encouraging diversity. Clearly a communist society is too diverse to be even considered "monotone" as many argue.


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01 Apr 2024, 4:26 am

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You should make friends with a mirror if you can’t handle individual differences.


You said how you enjoy talking with people regardless of individual differences. I see it as a an example of what communism should be, diversity but no one makes their own identity a big deal of it. They can express themsleves and not enforce it if some people don't agree. Seriously, how is communism that I want often misunderstood as everyone having to be same?

When I want friends, I want a small social circle which I was able to accomplish on the Internet with a group chat. It takes one person to be my best friend ever. I have changed myself in a way that I moved on and formed a social circle of my own in this free-for-all competitive world. What else was I supppse to do in order to survive and not starve from social hunger?


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01 Apr 2024, 4:31 am

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When I want friends, I want a small social circle which I was able to accomplish on the Internet with a group chat. It takes one person to be my best friend ever. I have changed myself in a way that I moved on and formed a social circle of my own in this free-for-all competitive world. What else was I supppse to do in order to survive and not starve from social hunger?


You are 18 years old, you are just going through a phase most of us (male or female or other gender and from different cultures from around the world) have been through at least once. When I was your age the one thing I wish I had which would have helped was patience.



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When I want friends, I want a small social circle which I was able to accomplish on the Internet with a group chat. It takes one person to be my best friend ever. I have changed myself in a way that I moved on and formed a social circle of my own in this free-for-all competitive world. What else was I supppse to do in order to survive and not starve from social hunger?


You are 18 years old, you are just going through a phase most of us (male or female or other gender and from different cultures from around the world) have been through at least once. When I was your age the one thing I wish I had which would have helped was patience.


The problem is different generations. Many often say how Gen Z and Gen Alpha are doomed. Based on the mentality and advancement of technology, I found myself isolated from others because I wanted to share some of my stuff but everyone is now disinterested and they're on devices, deviating from reality. While they indulge in dull and monotone behavior, I struggle and fight on the Internet to find a friend who is really understanding of me.

All is not lost for sure but I'm afraid that society took a mass downturn the moment they lost any will to go outside and socialize. Is family all I have left then in real life? Yes. No person outside of my family these days would consider to hangout with me.


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While they indulge in dull and monotone behavior, I struggle and fight on the Internet to find a friend who is really understanding of me.


At least you have the internet. I wish when I was 18 I could have communicated to somebody in Yugoslavia or China or North Canada, Instead it was just school...and that was it.



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While they indulge in dull and monotone behavior, I struggle and fight on the Internet to find a friend who is really understanding of me.


At least you have the internet. I wish when I was 18 I could have communicated to somebody in Yugoslavia or China or North Canada, Instead it was just school...and that was it.


I see. I apologize for my rather sudden outburst because it's just that I feel like people are 24/7 on phones and laptops. Even I must admit that I am chronically online because others misunderstand me but even then I can't enjoy time with someone without them having to use their phone and look at things when they're bored. I feel betrayed by what others promised me. I can't trust people now that even my close friend betrayed me. I didn't choose to be on the Internet. I had no other choice because it was the only way I could find friends there at least. In a country of three million, I stand no chance.


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01 Apr 2024, 1:01 pm

Trans people exist all over the world regardless of political system. What you're suggesting is that you'd prefer they be oppressed and hidden to appease your personal biases and inability to accept others. This is why there are still LGBT rights protests all over the world; to stamp out bigotry.


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And THIS is why I will never trust communism. :lol:


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02 Apr 2024, 2:46 am

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Trans people exist all over the world regardless of political system. What you're suggesting is that you'd prefer they be oppressed and hidden to appease your personal biases and inability to accept others. This is why there are still LGBT rights protests all over the world; to stamp out bigotry.


No.. no.. no, no no no!

You're reading it all wrong again! How does communism harm trans people? Communism seeks to unite all of the world into one global federation. No one feels hidden or threatened because we would all be working together at once to prevent global climate change and to travel beyond space (brr brr space communism). Ever thought of why the aliens in sci-fi movies are often more advanced than humans? Because these aliens achieved communism. Even the Babylon Bee (a Christian right channel) mocks liberals by having an alien explaining to people how aliens achieved communism through cooperation and equality.

Maybe if we didn't have to be so paranoid and say how communism is bad because it doesn't allow minorities or LGBT people to express themselves, then we would certainly live in an utopia and we would have cool technology like the aliens do. This may sound rather Posadist but I feel like that different civilizations far from Earth are probably looking at us and laughing at our inability to achieve communism because we're stuck with the identity politics imposed by liberals and reactionaries.


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No idea what Balkanisation means...

balkanize (vt): to break up (a region, a group, etc.) into smaller and often hostile units.

Earth currently has a balkanized civilization, due to being "broken up" into 193 countries, each with its own government, national identity, and preferred customs and cultures.

How this very real definition applies to Yugoslav1945's posts in this thread is anybody's guess.


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