The Trinity Doesn't Make Sense!
I'm not much of a debater. I believe that since Jesus said he and God and the Holy Spirit were the same yet individual it must be true. I'm not sure how its done, but I choose to believe that its true. One explanation that seems to hold water is related to the multi-dimensionality of God. We exist in 4 dimensions: height,width,depth, and time. We can change or position relative to the first three, but we cannot move with respect to time. If, as some have theorized, God exists in 5 or more dimensions and is therefore able to move with respect to time, many things would be possible including Jesus being with the Father before his birth.
As far as the 3 being one, looking at the original words and their various connotations I think it is better translated as the 3 are of 1 mind. In other words, they think exactly alike and in any given set of circumstances will take exactly the same action, speak exactly the same words, etc.
Here's a link with a lot of useful information...http://www.reasons.org/
The founder, Hugh Ross, is a well known astrophysicist. He came to believe in God by reading the book of Genesis as though it were a scientific paper and found that it supported all of what we know now to be true about the makeup of the universe.
I can understand why the Trinity is such a hard concept to grasp. It defies the logical and rational mind. Even though the word "Trinity" per se is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible, it is very clear that the Bible teaches a triune God. Even one of the Hebrew words for God in the Old Testament, Elohim, suggests a plural nature of God. In Genesis, it says, "Let us make man in our own image." This is no royal "We"--this is a plural God. In the New Testament, God reveals Himself as Father, Son (Jesus), and Holy Spirit. These persons all make up God--one cubed. The triune nature of God indicates that God is both transcendant and imminent. Believers have a personal relationship with the Father through the Son by the power of the Holy Spirit, which comes inside us once we believe. The notion of the Trinity or triune nature of God is a mystery, and as a believer, I am content to keep it that way.
If you study the Qabalah (sometimes spelt with a K), ALL religions will make sense. If your not familiar with it already (sorry - i havent read past pg1!) this is what i posted on the 'drugs and religion/mental illness' thread;
This approach also makes it possible to comprehend conciousness and spirituality in diagrammatic and numerological terms (Jewish mysticism or qabalah). That doesnt detract from any particular faith taken on its own merits, but IMO if you study just one faith the superficial differences i mentioned are more likely to obscure the underlying truth. A comparative approach is therefore more efficient at yielding results. By listening to different 'messengers', all the minor discrepancies or falsehoods between them will tend to cancel each other out thus revealing their common ground.
The trinity is represented in the tree-of-life diagram as the triad; (1) kether, (2)Chockmah, (3)Binah which occupy the space above the abyss. The very nature of the abyss makes the triad difficult to make sense of; it requires an epiphany. I dont think i could conciously apprehend the triad out of context of the bigger (base-10) picture.
tbh i think the necessary revelation is more likely to come through quiet contemplation and a flash of meditative trance, than an internet discussion board.
-which is why this post will probably sound like semi-coherent self-indulgent tripe
Maybe We need to make God a Mysterious so We can not UNDERSTAND HIM.
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Come on My children lets All get Along Okay.
This approach also makes it possible to comprehend conciousness and spirituality in diagrammatic and numerological terms (Jewish mysticism or qabalah). That doesnt detract from any particular faith taken on its own merits, but IMO if you study just one faith the superficial differences i mentioned are more likely to obscure the underlying truth. A comparative approach is therefore more efficient at yielding results. By listening to different 'messengers', all the minor discrepancies or falsehoods between them will tend to cancel each other out thus revealing their common ground.
The trinity is represented in the tree-of-life diagram as the triad; (1) kether, (2)Chockmah, (3)Binah which occupy the space above the abyss. The very nature of the abyss makes the triad difficult to make sense of; it requires an epiphany. I dont think i could conciously apprehend the triad out of context of the bigger (base-10) picture.
tbh i think the necessary revelation is more likely to come through quiet contemplation and a flash of meditative trance, than an internet discussion board.
-which is why this post will probably sound like semi-coherent self-indulgent tripe
I think Trinities are a human invention.
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Come on My children lets All get Along Okay.
Debating religion is tough, its like two giants trying to fall the other one using peas.
(ie both sides are stubborn)
I am a giving person willing to listen to any Ideals of the Trinity.
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Come on My children lets All get Along Okay.
Debating religion is tough, its like two giants trying to fall the other one using peas.
(ie both sides are stubborn)
I am a giving person willing to listen to any Ideals of the Trinity.
Ah but if you were to debate with a person of another religion, its either one of you converts or it would be an endless slugging fest.
There is a point where the debate should stop and discussion should begin.
There is a point where the discussion should stop and a conclusion be developed.
There is a point where a biased conclusion be changed to a balanced one.
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Music is the language of the world.
Math is the language of the universe.
I Myself like just to debate and see what their Ideals are not trying to change Them and what They Believe in.
People that are Honest can be open with any thing they believe in and yet remain true to what they believe in the end.
That is how I see it in the end. I can remain Myself and be honest with even their ideals and yet open to any ideals that come down the road.
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Come on My children lets All get Along Okay.
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