Iran Arrests Suspected Converts to Christianity

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they still have quite a bit of power....i mean there weren't riots or anything over bush's faith based initiatives program that favors christian programs over any other religion. there wasn't more than a shrug over any challenges to having "God" printed on our money (where's my polytheist homies at??). creationism is being taught in many schools. teen pregnancy rates are soaring (thank you christianity condemning the use of condoms!).


sure, they can't burn heretics at the stake anymore nor are they holding open book burnings for the gnostic gospels...but they are by no means impotent.

I agree, and I'm not denying they don't have some power. But, I think we both mean the same thing, though expressed in different words, when we say they don't have overbearing power to the extent they had even only a couple hundred years ago. They still do, of course, have some power.

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I agree on this one ska, people like raggy love to point out "examples" of "anti-christian oppression". Usually theyr just exagerating to feed their own victimology complex, they see themselves as "victims" whenever someone raises resistance to them force-feeding their religion onto secular society. basically 'I'm a victim for not being able to proselytize and victimize others".
There are no doubt real cases of them being discriminated, especially throughout the arab world, but when they go on one of those evangelical tangents trying to force-feed their religion onto others, they loose moral credibility to confront those situations. because they just look like a bunch of dumb hypocrites.
Also raggy, I have a question for you..... Most likely, you believe that "America is a Christian nation" right? Right? Well, the Native Americans were the 1st people here, they worshipped their tribal gods and goddesses. They certainly were not christians. And many tribes lived in peace that thousands of years of Christianity has never accomplished through it's years of bloodshed. So, how is this a "Christian nation" again?

I'm a citizen of India. I was born and brought up here. I belong to the Pathan (Pashtun, Pakhtun) ethnic group, of the Lodi (Lodhi) clan which belongs to the Ghilzai tribe. My clan conquered North India 5 and a half centuries ago, ruling Northern India & parts of northern Pakistan for 75 years. Since then, we've become completely Indianised.

I'm studying B.A. right now in college, and I've taken political science as one of my subjects. I've always found international politics fascinating.



In that case, there's no such thing as a Christian nation. In fact, these are the states that have Christianity as their official religion.

Insightful where? You spout off insults with no facts, just based on emotions.


Why would I want Christians to have power? I'm not Christian, I don't care much about their want in politics.

Khan...my argument was against countries who send money to the west so Mosques get built, Qurans get printed, and to open up Islamic Schools.

How much of this money comes from KSA? Yet, where is there a church in KSA? Where is there a Synagogue? Where is there a temple that isn't islamic? It's pure BS.

The Bahais are considered an offshoot of Islam in Islamic countries which is why they're banned, but why then can't Western countries consider Islam an offshoot of Christianity and ban it equally?

Again, it's bs.



And how can missionaries (non-christian or christian) acquire converts when many Muslim countries ban conversion?

As you can plainly see, I wouldn't be so fast to hurl the accusations next time. You really seem to be quite the hypocrite. I think this line of conversation is over, and won't be responding to anything else pertaining to your accusation of insult hurling.

Human nature does not change drastically over the span of a couple years; if Christians were allowed to, they would bring back burnings of those they deemed as heretics. The common justification of "the ends justify the means", or some variation of it, would probably be employed.

Also, no where in my post did I say you would want Christians in power. If you assume I did, I suggest you read it again, its quite a short post.

1) The people who are anti-Jesus are foolish and intolerant. I have yet met a person who insults Jesus and is not either of the two. How can you consider wise a person who makes it his duty to insult an "imaginary" person?

2) That was my thread. I didn't really care if she was a male or female. The point was to insult the person for creating such a stir about some "terror scarf".

3) And?

4) Yes, because bringing up the Inquisition and the Crusades whenever Christianity is mentioned is justified? In this case we cannot mention Germany without mentioning Nazism, Islam without Jihad and terror, Israel without Zionism and occupation, Africa without famine and aids, America without slavery and atomic bombs, Russia without Communism, and so forth and so forth.



I seem to be quite the hypocrite. Yes, thank you for opening my eyes. Frankly, I am not as interested as pointing out how idiotic you are by referencing a couple of your posts. Considering that I rarely use the language that you do when insulting, I consider my remarks rather tamed compared to yours.

However, thanks for the laugh and at attempting to appear the better of the two of us.

Ragtime: If you are so worried about Iran persecuting Xians why then did you have a poll about witch burning? Sounds like a few strings of hypocrisy, or is it the whole damn orchestra?

The reason the Dark Ages and the Crusades are brought up ad nauseum and ad infinitum whenever you go off on one of your rants is because you lot are the masters of subjugation. Cathars, pagans, Gnostics, Jews (remember Torquemada), Muslims, Buddhists, witches, matter of fact anyone who didn't toe the party line was f****d burned and killed in that order. You may say you allow others religious freedom, but when your government is backed to the hilt by fundamentalists and Jews who want the Muslim threat wiped out, then it seems a bit hypocritical to be whinging about persecution of your own species. Mebbe if you stopped with all the inflammatory arguments, you might not get so much negativity. But then, Karma works in mysterious ways.

Blah blah blah.

Not all practices were peaceful and loving. You people act as if Christians are the only ones who murdered heretics. Even you lovely pagans held sacrifices. You weren't all dancing around naked in a fire chanting some spell.

Sure, but the Christians are still doing it today. They call it the war against terror.

Because having planes fly into buildings is a perfectly acceptable act? As well as bombing embassies.

My, those Islamists sure are fun loving people.

That a bunch of Christians did awful things in the past does not excuse a buch Muslims from doing awful things today. Not that I'm saying that they have an exclusive claim to being awful, but "two wrongs make a right" is not a valid argument. Personally, I despise all religious fanatics equally and think the world would be far happier without them, but the Muslim fanatics seem to be the most aggressively fanatical at the moment. Apologizing for and rationalizing Muslim misdeeds because they were oppressed in the past, or pointing out that other people are doing worse things just doesn't work for me. Yet that seems to be the gist of many posts in this thread, perhaps a better argument is not forthcoming because atrocities are inexcusable, no matter who is committing them.

Because the US pissed them off by aiding whom they considered the wrong people. The Jews. The Iranian decided to take hostages in 1979 for whatever beef they had against America, so what does the US do? give aid to Saddam and Bin Laden to fight the Iranians and Khomeni. Bush Sr decides to go after Iraq when they attack Kuwait, mainly to protect oil interest, and what happens? the Iraquis threaten Israel. The Yanks then send the Cole in, which gets blown up. The Al Quaeda attack the WTC, in 1995 as a warning, and waht happens? Clinton decides to send the UN in to look for WMDs (which didn't exist). Suddenly, Junior gets in in 01, the WTC gets wiped out, and the rest is history. Now I doun't applaud any of it, barbaric as both forms of aggression are; but what it all comes down to is the continued backing of the Israelis/Jews by the Americans when they know full well the Arabs are getting royally pissed off by it. What do you guys finally want, world domination?
I'd settle for just a world to live in peacfully minding my own busness.

Ah, excuse the Islamists. There is always a reason to butcher a people. Always.


Is this what Paganism teaches you? Karma?

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