Pro or anti abortion?

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I am against planned miscarriage.

@ Vexcalibur you keep talking about week 28 abortions. I do not know of any juristiction that allows this. 28 weeks in my book is too late unless it was a choice between the unborn baby and the mothers life. If 28 weeks is allowed in the USA without some sort of 'extreme circumstances' ruling then it is plainly wrong.

You argue like all extremists always using the worst case examples and emotive logic.

I am against planned and unplanned pregnancies.

I'm pro-choice

I have no problem whatsoever with limiting abortions at even 6 months and beyond to life/health of mother and/or severe deformations of the fetus; from my understanding, applying such limitations would alter the rate of late-term abortions virtually not at all, since they are already extremely rare.



One with paterns recognizable as human to someone (say, an MD with a specialty in neurology) who is trained to recognize EEG patterns and their abnormalities.



No argument.



'scuse, where did I (LKL) say that a fetus isn't alive or that it isn't human? I'm usually quite careful not to say things like that.



I agree that it's a fuzzy term, but that doesn't mean that it's a meaningless or useless term.



So early 2nd trimeser, IIrc. Earlier than I would put it, but not totally unreasonable.



LOL I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but I've always thought that it's a little unfair that humans don't lay eggs or have tiny offspring like kangaroos. It would be so much easier that way!



Again, no argument. There is a minor problem with that in that low-income women from states that have regulated abortion out of existence (some southern states) might know right away that they want an abortion, but they have to save up a lot of money (takes time) in order to both take time off of work, travel out of state, stay in a motel, and pay for an abortion. They would have it earlier if they could, but being poor takes away a lot of one's options (especially if one has no health insurance, and therefore no primary care physician who can prescribe RU486). I've heard that a lot of women are now ordering drugs from Mexico over the internet that have a side effect of causing abortion - some sort of gastro-intestinal drug, IIrc - so that they don't have to go out of state. I think that making medical (ie, pill) abortions more widely available would dramatically decrease the number of second trimester abortions, but from what I hear the 3rd trimester abortions are almost entirely unplanned and happen on wanted pregnancies when some sort of horrible problem comes up.

Whether or not it fits your ideology, people are quite capable of being selfish in their intent. Decisions made with such intent are selfish, even if the decision made with selfish intent involves having a child.


I am aware of the effort involved in parenting.

Pro. The world is catastrophically overpopulated as it is without chucking in even more people who aren't even wanted by anyone.

But then again more responsible attitudes to contraception would stem the need for so many abortions.

^^hear, hear.
Before anything else, we need to make safe, effective contraception (and the education in its use!) widely available for everyone.

Contraception doesn't always work, though... but yes, improve education about it and access to it (and make it cheaper, my God condoms are expensive in pharmacies!) and it'll greatly decrease the numbers.

Look at the scrolling banner ad on my uni's website. FREE CONDOMS!! !

Call me a cynic, but after what I've been through I would never, ever trust anything but the best!! Don't ever want to go down that route again - once is enough thank you!!

Agreed on both counts. For that reason I should have probably talked up (voluntary) sterilization too (which usually works out much cheaper in the long run, in every scenario ).