Death penalty. For or against?

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Against.

Unalienable rights. Cannot lose them, cannot be taken away from you - you're human and the state cannot take your humanity from you as is done when murdering a person. Limit your rights - doesn't that happen to each of us anyway?

There has to be real good punishment for doing something so utterly stupid that everyone knows about it and wants to dead.

I won't say anything against murdering someone yourself for revenge.

But these people should realise they're bloody murders as well - not great holy folks who do justice - and if they're okay with being as ugly bastards as the one they want to have revenge on, then I don't mind.

If you know, are a 100% aware that you're a monster, then I think that's great.

Be aware of what you do. Most people wouldn't do as many things if they were aware of the truth and would not lie to themselves about their glory and holiness for being monsters.

And surely, it's rather pathetic to expect another to satisfy one's own greed for revenge. Such as the state so kill for you.

That's basically what death penalty is - you feel too pathetic to kill someone yourself so you hope someone else, the state, will do it for you.

Which I find to be so utterly pathetic it's disgusting. Gross. Makes me go mad.

If someone wants revenge so bad then they go about it themselves - if not, their need for revenge isn't truly huge and nobody should care about such minor feelings anyway.

That's like the 'strongest survives' kind of society.

But since I'm all nice and thoughtful and compassionate, I will sigh and agree to that you shouldn't kill anyone.

Which is a stupid thing to do, really. I don't understand the reason for murder. I mean, I can imagine some but I always come to the conclusion that there're a lot more drawbacks than advantages.

To do away with your problems in much the same fashion as death penalty without realising how utterly stupid it is to flee from the problem that you shouldn't have created in the first place but did so anyway - that's not very clever.

I am delighted to be so pathetic that I cannot kill someone. Or is it that someone is too ignorant or stupid as to realize that creating a murderer is one of society's responsibilities and it must find a way to undo it?

well, the OT favors death penalty, and harsher.

Are you trying to say that the death penalty is a Jewish conspiracy?

A lot of things taught by Christianity (and most other religions, too) go against another of their fundamental teachings. Hypocrisy is the core of religion.

What kind of a life can you have if you deny the existence of free will?

Free will has limits, so it is not totally free.

Nothing in life is free. That is a fact, and one that becomes truer and truer the more you think about it and the more you try to refute it.

Hypocrisy at the core of what Christianity eventually became-- the Church. And that is not God's fault.

My views on the death penalty are not entirely informed by my religion.

The truth about free will, whatever it is, doesn't have anything to do with our hopes, guts and feelings, that's independent from all of it. Choosing to believe in free will because it means a better life wouldn't do anything in reality, the universe is as the way it is, and it doesn't shape according to our wishes. Same argument has been used against evolution btw.

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One's philosophical position on free will, whatever it is, will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If I don't believe I can do anything or change anything, I probably won't be able to.

I'm not sure why but statistically speaking, it tends to increase the rate of crimes that would get you put to death.
I'm sure you could philosophize forever on the reasons, maybe they'd rather be put to death than spend life in jail and maybe, somehow, the the effect on the state of mind off people when their own life is on the line might increase their chances of killing.

Do more violent deaths cause more violence?

If so, how?

So like so many other christians you cherry pick the ideals that suit you and discard the ones that do not. To be a christian means to follow the teachings of christ, Yes things change and evolve but execution goes against one of his fundamental teachings.

This is exactly the sort of hypocrisy that the Bible preaches. The Bible also says "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth". Self-contradictory, amirite?

I am no theologian but I understand that for christians the new testament overrides the old