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Additionally, note that only about 33% of people living in the world today are Christians. This website and hundreds if not thousands of fundamentalist groups would actually believe and teach that two thirds of all people in their world have no hope unless they convert. This number would become even larger when one considers the number of Christians who understand how to live a truly Christian life.

It's the whole death cult thing. It's circular reasoning. The have a sense of self-preservation like anyone else, so they don't want to die; because they don't want to die, they make up a story about how they won't actually die, but go to heaven instead. Logically, since heaven is better, they should all just kill themselves - but, because of their own sense of self preservation, they still don't want to die. An inherent weakness in the world view - maybe this is part of why xians always feel that their faith is under attack?

If anything, the suicide bomber is one of the more logical types of true believer out there.

I personally never put much weight upon the crucifixion. I see more importance in celebrating his life and acknowledging that he LIVED, not that he died or "sacrificed" Himself. Death is inevitable and martyrdom is incredibly common. Such a life and resurrection are almost inconceivably uncommon.

I don't believe that God actually directly interferes with human existence, "He" merely opens doors. As such, I believe that Jesus could have saved Himself from such a death, but to do so would be against the way God works. Not only that, but it would be selfish of Him, and it would have been selfish of his followers to expect anything but His acceptance of His sentence.

Whenever I hear Christians say "Jesus died for your sins" I want to point out that he really just lived to show us what a life free from sin meant. Would anything but a spectacular death befit such a spectacular life?

Sure, He died. He was executed and endured incredible amounts of physical torment. But He also Lived(with a capital "L"). That to me is the most important part.

There are lots of things that Jesus is quoted as saying that is quite commendable. But he was just another Jewish rabbi and lots of people have said the same things many times before and after. Without his death at the hands of a Roman sadist there probably never would have been Christianity. So his death was a necessary part of the legend of Christianity. Without it the cross would never have become a symbol. So, far from being a sacrifice, his death was a necessary part of establishing the religion and to convert it into the legend of a man killing a god made it something rather unusual. And to make it into a god dying and yet eternal added to the entangled paradoxes that flourish in theistic philosophy and make it so impenetrable. Christianity seized this event because it was not a failure but a predestined success to prove the guilt of mankind that could only be expiated by subjugation to the authorities in charge of the church. Guilt is the gold of Christianity that only the church can relieve. Just in the last few days the church re-established the process that adherents can rid themselves of guilt through approved church indulgences re-enforcing the church's power over groveling believers. Its a scam.

Who started this thread, anyway?

Yeah, and Jesus had been been executed by way of the electric chair, we might be wearing little tiny electric chairs around our necks today.

But I doubt it, 'cause that technology didn't exist in the 1st century.



Your hatred is growing, strengthening. I can feel it. Pretty soon you'll be expressing your hate beyond the bounds of cyberspace, IRL.

Not a disease, not a choice, what is it then?

Is there some ultra-PC term you would use instead?