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Eggman
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22 Feb 2009, 12:51 am

Didn't numbers show that even flipping a coin, when you know the intial postion, and all the forces acting uppon it could be determined?


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22 Feb 2009, 12:59 am

Eggman wrote:
Didn't numbers show that even flipping a coin, when you know the intial postion, and all the forces acting uppon it could be determined?


Perhaps in a vacuum and including all the gravity variations as the solar planets revolve around the Sun. I imagine asteroids and anything a few light years away can be ignored. Also the coin and the vacuum chamber should contain no radioactive material. But watch out for any neutrons or cosmic rays skipping through. Dark matter, of course, is another problem.



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22 Feb 2009, 2:24 am

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I know... let's ask Wikipedia!

Here's a well- annotated wikipedia post on that very subject...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Appendix_function_diagram.svg
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Apparent function of the human vermiform appendix in the recovery from diarrhea. (J. Theoretical Biology. doi:10.1016/j.jtbi.2007.08.032) The colon with normal, beneficial bacteria (green color) is contaminated with an organism (red color) that causes diarrhea. The appendix apparently serves as a "safe house" for the good bacteria, protecting that supply of bacteria from contamination and facilitating a re-start of the system once the contaminating organism has been eliminated. (J. Theoretical Biology. doi:10.1016/j.jtbi.2007.08.032) Although more than 2 million children die each year in developing countries as a result of diarrhea, children living in those countries face an estimated 1.4 billion cases of diarrhea each year (Information based on data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as published in Emerg Infect Dis 9(5), 2003.) Thus, the process of recovery from diarrhea is relatively effective in developing countries. This process is expected to be less critical in developed countries, where widespread epidemics resulting in diarrhea are uncommon and thus the loss of beneficial bacteria from the population as a whole is highly unlikely. (J. Theoretical Biology. doi:10.1016/j.jtbi.2007.08.032)



First, wikipedia is not a scientific peer-review journal. Second, Theoretical Biology is not a clinical journal. Third, the article cited doesn't say anything about antibiotics. Fourth, it is the responsibility of the claimant to present evidence for their claim (so cut the snark).



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22 Feb 2009, 2:32 am

Sand wrote:


Again, no mention of antibiotics nor of any clinical trials that support the theory. I've seen a lot of comments in various fora (especially in creationist apologetics) that the appendix must have some sort of immune function because it has gut-associated lymphoid tissue (galt), but such mentions always fail to include the fact that the entire GI tract has galt. The idea that the appendix serves as a reservoir for beneficial flora presupposes several factors: that the appendix is not colonized by harmful flora in the event of a G.I. infection (in the case of the articles cited above), or that its flora are not wiped out by antibiotics (in the case of the original hypothesis), and that the intestine is re-colonized more rapidly and/or appropriately by the appendix than by normal oral-fecal contamination of beneficial flora.

It's an interesting hypothesis, but it is by no means so iron-clad that it doesn't require some actual data to support it.