A new Revolution in America, how could it happen?

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Think of the closing scenes of the motion picture V.

ruveyn

We already had that. It was called the American Civil War.

Anyway, in both the first revolution to get away from England, and the Civil War, both required other countries intervention either in armaments or other countries straight out sending soldiers or officers to "advise" rebel troops. In the Revolution, the other country was France, and Polish mercenaries. In the Civil War, it was Britain trading with the South. In fact, if the war went on longer, the British would have officially sided with the South. So basically, after the initial "seeds" of revolution went down, you'd be dependent upon international entities for your supplies.

As far as armed populace making revolution easy. It makes starting one easy. Doesn't necessarily make winning one easy. The Afghans managed to fight the Soviets with Lee Enfields, but they brought down the Soviet tanks with American missiles.

That's just the logistics regarding weapons and firepower alone. These logistics imply a state has a coastline, and also that the coastline isn't blockaded. Even if a state declared secession like that, and USA, didn't, oh, airstrike it to oblivion or something, you'd have a situation like Palestine/Israel going on in that state where it'd become a ghetto full of "terrorists."

As far as how it'd happen? It probably wouldn't. I think the population that wants Obama-phones far exceeds the population that wants a revolution in any form. The US government makes sure bread and circuses are covered so well, that even under martial law people wouldn't rebel. Genius plan really. The only way a revolution would happen is if the bread and circuses stopped.

Anyway, if you wanna see how a revolution in America would turn out, view the first and second ones.

And it was quite beastly. It is still the war in which the most Americans (both sides were American) were killed or maimed. The butcher's bill came out to nearly 4 percent of the population -- 1 in 25.

ruveyn

1)Unless we have another great depression and the government is unable or unwilling to take the necessary steps to instigate recovery, the chances of a revolution are practically zero. However, you are incorrect that the "vast majority" of Americans have a good life, they simply aren't desperately poor and starving....................................YET.

2) In case you haven't noticed, a lot of Americans are pretty unhappy these days compared to people in Canada who seem quite content with their country. Canada has strict quotas on Americans wishing to emigrate there, unlike the US which will happily accept Canadian immigrants.

3) You're claim that secondary education(as in college) is free at the point of delivery in the US is 100% Wrong. College is NOT free and is becoming more and more expensive with the exception of community colleges. ONLY 25% OF AMERICANS HAVE A BACHELORS DEGREE(OR MORE) Many people have gone to college by taking out student loans and with the bad economy they are thousands of dollars in debt which they will spend the rest of their lives paying off. Banks may become increasingly restrictive about who qualifies for a student loan since in the wake of the financial crisis fewer people are able to get loans greater than there net worth.

Read -The Iron Heel- by Jack London.

ruveyn

As long as people can go to the mall, go out to eat, go to movies, get the latest iPhone they won't have much of an inclination (if at all) for a revolution.
Right now they aren't even sure why they'd want a revolution.

Last edited by Raptor on 01 Dec 2012, 4:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Revolution is generally a terrible idea. It rarely happens without some kind of bloodbath.

If there was a reveloution, it would be by America's own hand.

It is not within the range of possibility of complete economical collapse. Gas becomes 200 a gallon, and inflation skyrockets up to %1000
When there is rioting in the streets, complete social disorder and society on the brink or past the brink of failure, that's when I will rise up and join a militia group.


Best Regards,

Jake

Or save your money so you can catch a flight to a place not America?

'secondary education' generally referrs to high school, which is indeed free in the US.

If the first was insufficient to sow the seeds of revolution, I see no potential for another economic disaster of similar proportions.

As for the quality of life of the "vast majority" of Americans, I will stand by the claim. The most recent census data suggests that approximately 15% of Americans are living in poverty. Now, that percentage has been rising steadily during the last decade--which is worrisome--but that strongly suggests to me that well over 80% of Americans have sufficient income to meet their needs. If 80% isn't a vast majority, what is?

It also bears noting that as poverty levels rise, so too does the political imperative to address poverty. In the mid 1960's, the poverty rate rose as high at 19%, and the federal government responded with legislative initiatives to respond to poverty.



Canada has no immigration quotas at all. Canada has a global immigration target, but this does not limit decision making on individual cases. There is some capacity to "manage the mix" through the requirement to apply for permanent residence in a visa office with responsibility for one's country of residence, but the capacity of the processing centre at Buffalo and the satellite offices in the United States has always been vastly higher than the number of American's applying for permanent residence in Canada. When I was in the foreign service, the permanent resident caseload in the US system (other than the Family Class) was composed mostly of third country nationals in the United States on temporary resident status of one kind or another.

You should make sure you get your facts correct if you are going to make bald statements about the Canadian immigration system.



Secondary education is high school. College is post-secondary education. Again, get your facts correct.

Every American has access to primary and secondary education free at the point of delivery.