Texas jury rules - it's OK to kill escorts and prostitutes
Thelibrarian
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Well, fortunately you don't make the rules down here. Do you understand at all why we just might resent officious, predatory liberals who think they are better than we are--liberals who make no secret of their desire to deny our right to defend ourselves and our property, which is our right to exist?
I hope one day you can see exactly what you are doing.
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Last time I checked, prostitution is illegal. This numbnut shot a woman in the commission of a crime.
As the dead woman had been an escort, I presume she worked for an agency the "aggrieved" man could have complained to in order to get his money back. No need to shoot her.
And I presume the feeling is, a state like Texas where there is an old west history is more likely to sympathize with someone lethally "defending" their property. Well, my own state of Washington also shares an old west past, and I'm willing to bet our badmen like Harry Tracy or Hank Vaughan could make short work of Texans like John Wesley Hardin or Johny Ringo. Regardless of that, I couldn't imagine a jury in my state deciding the non-violent theft of a $150.00 justified the loss of a human life.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Totally OT, but there was a long line of dead men who tried to make "short work" of John Wesley Hardin, IIRC he had the highest "score" of any old west figure, and most of his opponents were shot in the head; no mean feat with the firearms of the day. I don't think they made them much badder than him, it was only late life alcoholism that did him in, and he still got it in the back (cause the guy who shot him was a coward, not a fool).
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Because they apply the laws of their land as written and respect due process?
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It may have helped his case that the woman died 7 months after he shot her for stealing his money and not for refusing sex.
Sex was not in the deal... he may have thought it was but it was not. He spent the time with her and so was on the hook for the cash. To buy sex is illegal so the jury essentially said that a cocaine buyer can shoot someone who sells fake cocaine.
A jury of Texans disagrees with you. It sounds to me as if you think you should be deciding for us how we do things down here--that you know better than we do. Just how much better are you than us? Should we have any say over our own affairs at all?
A Texas jury also acquitted Robert Durst who killed someone and dismembered the corpse on the grounds that the head was not found and so they could not prove it was not self-defence. Oh and Durst had money.
It sounds like robbery to me, grab the money give it to her driver, which is a crime. No sex was sold, it was theft.
It is not much different from buying smokes at the 7/11, and grabbing the twenties when the draw opens.
So the clerk shot the person who grabbed the money.
The act of crime is the danger of life or property the law protects.
Jump over a bank counter, fill a bag, jump back over and leave, anyone inside or out of the bank can shoot you.
Robbers do not have to be armed to lose the protections of the law. That they are robbing is a presumption that they may also be armed, and not like witnesses.
Give me the money is often followed by Bang Bang, you are dead.
I live the next state over, if I found someone I do not know, or even do know, in my house without my permission, they do not have to be stealing or armed, just being there is enough reason to kill them.
In a local case someone saw three men loading his motorcycle in a truck, went out to stop them, and got a bullet in the head, he had a wife and baby. People doing crime are considered dangerous.
Lots of 7/11 clerks, gas station attendants have been found dead, after they handed over the money.
Shooting a robber in those situations would be allowed.
Robbing people there is a presumption you have some way to back that up, some force, and the amount robbed has nothing to do with it.
Hookers have left a lot of bodies in hotel rooms, down dirt roads, as it was just an in to robbery and murder. Eileen Waros in Florida, hitchhiked, told men she would have sex with them, took then to a rural place and killed them. Hooker turned serial killer.
The issue is thinking your life is in danger when jacked by a hoe. It is.
This isn't even a Gun Law in the first place, it is a law involving theft/self defense. If this was true about the problem being guns, he would have stabbed her, or killed her with a bat, or choked her, this isn't an issue about guns.
Other than that, this guy shouldn't be put in jail for using a gun at all, he should be put in jail for killing a prostitute over money. This strikes a low, you shouldn't kill a prostitute over money, it is just stupid. Ending a life to defend against murder is one, but killing a prostitute over $150 is completely ridiculous.
Again this has nothing to do with Guns, this is an issue of murder/theft/self defense/ not killing women over money they took from you when you paid them for sex. In fact he wasn't in any danger, so he didn't even need to kill her at all.
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Not saying I wouldn't defend my house against an intruder but I wouldn't kill them, that is completely unnecessary. And if he was suing me over his injuries, I would propose a deal to drop the charges against him as long as he dropped his, with good legal representation of course. And maybe pay for his lawyer, it can't hurt. People seem to be so apt to kill over this, just put them unconscious in some way.
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The absconding with the $150 dollars could have been handled legally without resorting to deadly force. According to the Texas Statute deadly force is a last resort, not the first thing one does.
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It may have helped his case that the woman died 7 months after he shot her for stealing his money and not for refusing sex.
Sex was not in the deal... he may have thought it was but it was not. He spent the time with her and so was on the hook for the cash. To buy sex is illegal so the jury essentially said that a cocaine buyer can shoot someone who sells fake cocaine.
Isn't selling fake cocaine worse than selling real cocaine? You are screwing the person over, while selling him real coke is a victimless crime.
Shooting people for this trivial stuff is ridiculous though. People shouldn't get killed over $150.
Apparently, if you live in Texas, and going by the arguments in this thread from those who come from there, you should be allowed to kill a person over one penny.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Totally OT, but there was a long line of dead men who tried to make "short work" of John Wesley Hardin, IIRC he had the highest "score" of any old west figure, and most of his opponents were shot in the head; no mean feat with the firearms of the day. I don't think they made them much badder than him, it was only late life alcoholism that did him in, and he still got it in the back (cause the guy who shot him was a coward, not a fool).
Not to get off track, but Hardin had actually shot some people while asleep! Doesn't sound too heroic to me. On top of that, he exaggerated the number of men he killed, and came up with a cockamamie story of how he made Wild Bill Hickok back down (yeah, right). Harry Tracy here in the Northwest left plenty of bodies in his wake - and they were all awake at time of death.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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