global warming or a new ice age?

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I think we're heading for a new ice age.

The data for the last hundred years projected for the next hundred years does not fit the last thousand years, and climate cycles ran ten thousand years long before humans were a factor.

That is , considering that even today, different results come from current conditions, measured by different groups.

The same groups crunch numbers gathered from the last 150 years, some chosing one set some another, and make predictions. As for 150, there is no way to adjust the data, calibrated measure starts less than a hundred years ago, and none want to go 200 years, and include 1815, the year without summer. Killing frosts and snowfall through the summer months.

The best long term I have heard of was the harvest dates of wine grapes in France, which have been recorded for 500 years, but seem left out of modern science.

It used to be accepted that sea level has been rising one foot .3 Meters, per hundred years, much slower than the last 10,000 years, but now that is suddenly shocking news?

Since 10,000 years ago sea level has risen 150 meters. Sometimes it stopped, the record was 18 meters higher in a year, but the trend is upward, 15 meters per thousand years. 1.5 meters per hundred years. That is about five times the rate measured in the last few hundred years. Humans were not a factor.

The recent high point was before the last wave of ice, 25,000 years ago, with sea level 7 meters higher, and Scandinavia having trees like the south of England or France. That lasted 5,000 years, and then it started snowing.

From current trends, it will take several thousand years to reach 7 meters higher, the last peak lasted 5,000 years, which points to a return of the ice in 7,000 years.

The glaciel period before, sea level only declined 100 meters, in the preceeding warm period it did not get as warm as today, then the ice returned. Measured by that period, the return of the ice is several thousand years overdue.

It is either early or late to panic.

Modern science says it was one degree warmer last year, so it will be 100 degrees warmer in a hundred years, modern science is bunk.

Only NASA Brand orbital devices at $1,000,000,000 can save you! Insurance rates going up on beachfront condos! Cap and trade and bait and switch are needed to generate more government income! Terrorist Climate attacks Freedom!

Government science, like goverment religion, will always call for more government power.

First it is, "You will all burn in the fire!", when the numbers do not support that, it is Acid from CO2 will kill the oceans!, then acid oceans will come on land to hunt you down! Now it has become a litter cleanup program, which will save banks from underwater mortgages.

This is the same government that does not want to talk about 50% unemployment in the under 25 group, two mindless endless wars, and their loan of all the money in the banks at zero interest to their friends at Goldman Sachs.

The interest payments on the national debt are nearing One Trillion a year, at two trillion it would take twenty years to pay it off, at one fifth of GDP, and to the payers, the under 25 set, you must also do something about the mess we left behind.

You have been sold into debt servitude.

Proven beyond argument that we do alter local geography and local ecosystems via strip mining, dam building, dredging, deforestation, over-farming, overfishing, over-building, import of non-local species, and the like.

Even cumulative effects of those I don't see as likely to affect climate on a global scale.
Affect local micro-climates, highly likely.
But global climate?

That has had too many big, huge, changes before we ever showed our faces.

Next:

If there's too much CO2 in the atmosphere, why does this do this:

If someone is able to document the quotes I have highlighted in bold as being non-factual or otherwise incorrect, I will listen to their side.

Otherwise their argument will be dismissed even before it is given: that practice appearing to be the generally accepted protocol in climate change debate.

There are "snap frozen" Mammoths in Russia. 20,000 years ago they were wandering around eating grass and then zap, they froze solid.

They say that the original natives of Britain and Australia walked there over land bridges.
The Gulf of Mexico was a fertile plane.

Can you imagine the stone age guys who lived in Britain saying "wow if this climate change keeps up the seas will rise and we will be living on an island"?

During the last ice age North Africa was a paradise. Then it turned into the Sahara desert.

In the "Medieval warm period" the Vikings grew wheat in Greenland and the English grew grapes in London.

Then came the "little ice age" which killed millions and people ice skated on the Thames in London.

Then in the mid 1800s it started warming again.

But wait! the warming ended ten years ago and now it is cooling again.

Wake up. You are being conned big time.