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Maybe cause you are toltally wrong.



Stop projecting onto others, your stance literally is insane, there are some evil people in the world and the only thing that keeps them at bay is the fact that picking a fight with the United States is insane due to the fact we can kick the crud out of their military.



If spent 0 money on anything but the mandatory spending (i.e. entitlements) thanks to Obama and co. we would still be running a deficit, this year. Yeah, you heard me your entitlement programs are killing this country.



Looks more like you're just someone that thinks it's okay for people to fly airplanes into buildings to murder people.



I don't hate you, I pity you. I pity the fact that you have been so brainwashed you can't think for yourself and realize your stances are completely illogical on this issue. You cling to a partisan stance in complete disregard to the facts, I'm not saying this to be petty, I'm making an honest observation in hopes you will wise up.



AceOfSpades is actually more of a centrist. Also as far as right-wing talk radio at least they can understand facts and form their opinions based on facts, which you seem to be unable to do.

look in the mirror. you are not infallible. you don't have the complete wisdom of the spheres, merely your anti-left prejudice.



still have not answered the question- WHY totally deny that we are not getting our money's worth out of all this tribute paid to the military/congressional/industrial complex? kindly answer the question instead of just playing your broken record repeatedly.



as though your beloved shrub's corporate entitlements were not as dear. as though shrub didn't spend us most of the way to this point even before obama received a single vote. you want to exhaust money on guns for killing while i'd rather exhaust it on butter for living. you and your apologies for the status-quo are killing this country. you and i will never agree on anything under the sun so you are just wasting your breath. if you keep up with the personal attacks i will keep up with the pointed responses. wouldn't you rather not waste your time here? haven't you anything better in your life you could be doing, young man? why waste your energy bandying wits with a feeble old fart who is set in his ways and will not change to suit the likes of you? can't you just live and let live? what is making you so mean? why do you feel the need to keep poking me with the sharp stick of your mind? i will keep on asking you these types of questions until you decide to be civil. civil, i must remind you, means no personal attacks.



black and white thinking again on your part. getting more value from our tribute = supporting jihad. you have more brains than that, but you are too prejudiced against me to use 'em to better effect. why don't you say exactly WHY the status quo should be unassailable, instead of the non sequiturs you keep beating me over the head with?



look in the mirror. you cling to YOUR partisan stance in disregard to the damage it does to your fellow humans and fellow citizens.



your facts are just like bellybuttons, in that everybody has one- yours are no closer to ultimate truth than anybody elses' opinions. your "facts" are just so much of faux news soundbites. you have no idea that the faux powers just consider you to be a disposable tool.

The late Senator Moynihan of New York once said: Every one is entitled to his own opinion. No one is entitled to his own facts.

ruveyn

You’re too much! Hell, I want you to stick around just for the laughs. The “i would not put any evil proclivity past you” statement about made me drown in the coke I was drinking just now.
Like I said before, being called a bully by you is a compliment. I doubt there’d be nearly as many bullies roaming the campuses if it weren’t for people like you for them to feed off of.
Nothing you could ever say could possibly upset me because you’ve proved over and over that you can’t be taken seriously. The down side is that you give the rest of us with AS a bad image.

Believe it or not I’m holding back. You’ll hit yourself below the belt (if you have anything down there) hard enough with whatever you reply with.

Your's truly,
The Bully

no, YOU give aspies the reputation of being cold-hearted bastards. you wear cruelty as a prideful badge of honor. you look in your mirror and see a born prince, while your victims see an ordinary thug. you believe everybody else should aspire to be more like yourself, just like the other right-wingers you look-up-to. rush's book "the way things ought to be" is probably your bible. the fact that you keep assaulting me only proves my point that you are the one doing the bullying here. you have offered NOT ONE salient point regarding this thread, only feces-throwing suits you. you tell folk you look down-on to get a life while you are the one who needs to disenthrall yourself from your own greatness.



ok, mr. morally atavistic macho man. whatever floats your boat. the fact that you belittle the manhood of those you look down on, only means you are insecure about your own manhood. regardless, you are an anachronism, you belong in primitive times when people clobbered each other wish fists and whatever else was handy. but in today's world you are like a caveman among the civilized. why can't you can't be constructive, instead of mugging people? i suppose that is just too much to expect from you. it is plain that you just aren't equipped to say anything useful, you would rather persist in your high school glory days of bashing people weaker than yourself. you disgust me.

the wise james madison said-

"of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germs of every other... in war, too, the discretionary power of the executive is extended... and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. no nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual war."

we, as a nation, discount this wisdom at our collective peril.

While I certainly understand the need to keep our place as "the most powerful nation on earth", Our military is overfunded. I don't think we need so many foreign bases, and I also think we should cut back on infantry: it's just not as important as it used to be. After all, if we spend so much on war we lose all our money, I don't see how that would protect us.

I would personally like to see us take a more surgical, espionage based approach to national defense. Better to assassinate one person than go to war with a million. But history tells us that spies are notoriously hard to control...

Uh huh, my screw up happens to be a typo, your fault is that facts go in your head through 1 ear and out the other ear.



Because your question is trying to steer me in a direction that would ignore the facts. We could cut all spending except the stuff for entitlements right now, and we would still be deficit spending. The problem is entitlements, not our military. Furthermore, it states in the United States Constitution that National Defense is a responsibility of the Federal Government. In other words, military!! !!



Obama ran a Deficit this last month that was larger that the deficit spending for the entire year of 2007!





Theoretically, I can go out and kill a deer for food with a gun which would be a better from a nutritional standpoint than butter. Get this through your head, we can not afford to have everyone kick back and not work. A situation where over 50% of the country is not paying Federal Taxes and 33% is on welfare is unsustainable.



As Naruto would say: "Give up on me giving up!" (anime reference)



Actually, I have been more of the pointed responses where you have just been engaging in hysterics.



Again: "Give Up on me Giving Up!"



There is sometimes instances where things are black and white, right and wrong.



Sorry, but while I know I can be partisan your partisanship is such that you make me look like a Vulcan.



Sorry, you can't handle the fact Fox News is killing your idols at MSNBC when it comes to ratings.

Irrelevant. That is like saying this turd on the right is slightly less smelly than this one on the left

better that, that to be blindly parroting the right-wing hatespeech as you have been doing. the fact that you refuse to say anything constructive speaks volumes about your youthful smart-alec-ness. you are full of your own wisdom, and if somebody should mention to you that the truly wise man realizes there is much more that he doesn't know, you would just return a blank stare. you are just wasting electrons and my time.



that is only an opinion, which is no better than any other. that and $2.50 will buy a case of generic cola. only the generic cola is far more agreeble to my system than your regurtitated bile. it doesn't change the fact that the contention is over guns versus butter. your insistance on more guns is robbing people of their butter.



in this case he is merely standing on the shoulders of shrub. i won't have what you're having



a non-sequitur. anything other than actually having a civil discussion on the merits of unlimited military expenditures and permanent war. you will outlive me, unless god in his mercy cuts his failed earth experiment short and calls all spirits home. when you kill me by engendering in me stresses leading to fatal cancer or infarction, you will have to find a new victim, in anycase.



self-impressed young whippersnapper, i have worked more than you have, by decades. you look down on me as a slacker when you yourself have barely any work history to speak-of. those who live in glass houses... you want work, so why don't YOU join the military? lord knows you'd be at least as suitable for it as i would have been if i had your brain. why do you insist that the working class doesn't do work? the real workers of this nation are the ones serving you in restaurants and cleaning your toilets and looking after your children, and instead of thanking them you diss them for being "slackers." what makes you so special to look down your nose at people?



i'd rather you GREW up sufficient to learn that you are just another imperfect human, just like the rest of us, and no better.



your response proves my point that you are the one hurling the invective. your "pointed responses" have been sharp jabs with the stick of your mind, designed to draw blood, instead of encouraging dialogue. you are only interested in repeating your faux news talking points, instead of venturing beyond them. to quote one of your right-wing heroes [dan quayle], "it is a terrible thing to waste one's mind" - to which i'd add, "waste is a terrible thing to mind."



right- "rah rah, my country right or right," and all that other jingoism. no shades of gray for you.



but i am the one with the big ears. i am partisan only to the point that i got sick and tired of right-wing bullies such as yourself, taking my lunch money all the time. the enemy of my enemy is my friend. you decided to be my enemy, not me.



that is insipid. i don't watch cable tv in the first place, aside from the fact that i have blocked out clusterfaux from my tv. i just find their hate for people like me, to be obnoxious. you hate people disimilar to yourself, but when your hate is returned you behave like the kid who murders his parents and then cries "ORPHAN!" you certainly have your nerve.

if only he would be satisfied with playing with his turd instead of smearing me with it.

You are a huge hypocrite. You invite people to post their relevant dissenting opinions but at the same time vilifying em so you're boviously not verywelcoming of em. You ask for the personal attaskc to be kept out of the thread, yet you have been most active in engaging in personal attacks, hysterics, and straw men. Seriously do you not think that assumming that anyone who disagrees with you on military spending loves big pharmaa and big oil is imflammatory?

Get off your high horse, and treat others as you wish to be treated. If you think people are so ignorant, then how about setting an example for em by being civil right off the bat rather than jsuyt conveintenly calling for civility after you get your panmties in abunch? OMG all the bullies and meanies are out to hijack my thread! I can dish out all the personal attacks I want to, but when they're directed wtowrads me, poor little me is being bullied!

Anyways, 'm just gonna cut to the chase since I',m done with that crap now. What else do you believe is wasteful other than throwing leftover food in thj trash and loose admission stnadrads? If you wanna talk abou weapons, the states shoyuld reduce their nuclear arsenal but defundingh everything else is detrimiental. Defunding precision guided bombs for example would mean the miltiary would have to use less expensive one whcih are less areodynamicm, less accurate, and have shorter ranges. This would lead to more potiential for colleteral damage.

auntblabby wrote:

Lots and lots of ignorant assumptions and stereotyping made here but then again it’s from you so it can only be taken as a compliment.


The thread that you started with that childish cartoon does nothing to inspire anything other than ridicule. My first few replies to it gave it more dignity than it (or you) deserve.



If being a candyass is what passes for civilized I’ll stay in my caveman suit.



People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You certainly aren’t constructive. Posting drivel isn’t constructive to anything. To date you’ve posted 7951 times in 13 months and if I had the time to look at them I’d place a bet that nearly all of those posts were space wasting swill. Something to laugh at and ridicule at best.

So now I’m a mugger, too. Shame on me!



Not very much glory in highschool for me but at least I wasn’t a professional bully victim that you pretty much admitted to in another thread a few days back. If being able to take care of myself made me a bully in your eyes then so be it.

you have perceptual issues that i am unequipped to help you with. you insult me, but when i call you out on it, you cry just like the kid i clobbered [back in school] when he kept hitting me. you just want to keep hitting people until they pound you, and even then you can't understand that your right to swing your fist ends just shy of my nose.



sheesh, calm down. your "speech" above, is redolent with rage. but FINALLY you say something constructive! thank you for actually posting YOUR reasons you feel the military spending status-quo should be maintained. not everybody will agree with you, but that should not matter to you. now TELL ME, what do you THINK about my suggestions for economies of scale by consolidating duplicate services via unification?

your stiff-arm tactics are the ridiculous thing here. something you categorically dismiss brings out the rage in you. only narrow minds wearing blinders refuse to discuss things they disagree with. if you weren't furious at me you would not bother to reply. me thinks thou doth protest too much. if you don't like what i post, then change the channel. i hear there are new browsers that will let you filter me out. but do not try to censor me otherwise. i find your posted drivel just as obnoxious as you find my posted drivel. your [stuff] stinks just as bad as mine.



"suit" yourself then



and your drivel is perfect, eh? the difference between me and you, is i realize i'm imperfect. but at least i don't bully people, nor would i take satanic pride in bullying people as you do. one can either bring some heaven into this hellworld, or add yet more hell to it. i know which side you are on. you are about self-agrandizement at best, spreading bad feeling at worst. the fact that you just vomit your bile means you have nothing constructive to say, only destructive things are good enough for you.



you either have perceptual problems, or you are just bearing false witness- i'd say it is both. you say black is white and vice-versa to suit your purposes. calling one of your victims a "professional bully victim" is an obscenity. you enjoy being a thug, don't you? you consider me to be a simpleton but i would embrace that if the alternative is to be a thug. i won't play dead, so you are just going to have to take the trouble to kill me, and i would not put that past you. if you knew what basic civility was, you'd just go to some other thread instead of hijacking this one, but that is too much to expect from you. you are so impressed with yourself and your own amazing brain power. but there will always be those greater than even you. but you would not recognize such because "mediocrity only understands itself, and never anything greater."

you cannot contribute anything positive to this thread because you have not an original thought in your head, just parroted right-wing talking points. you refuse to discuss how unification of the american forces is a possible money-saver. you refuse to entertain anything which would challenge your beloved status-quo. what are you afraid of? you can't catch any germs from me. if you had any grace you would ignore my scarily gay exterior and just talk to me like a decent chap instead of shoving me into my locker as you have been doing. but you lack any comprehension of the concept. you are stuck in oppositional defiance mode, and i cannot help you become unstuck. you will have to do that for yourself, when you are ready.

You just proved my point, in one ear and out the other. I have countered your points with historical precidence and common sense. You respond by engaging in demonizing and hysterics.



Sorry, but what I stated was not an opinion, it was fact, the projected revenue for the Federal Government is less than the amount being used for entitlement spending this year on its own.

We have now gotten to the point — as I noted yesterday — where if national defense, interstate highways, national parks, homeland security, and all other discretionary programs somehow became absolutely free, we’d still have a budget deficit. The White House Office of Management and Budget projects that in the current fiscal year (2011), mandatory spending alone will exceed all federal receipts. So even if we didn’t spend a single cent on discretionary programs, we still wouldn’t be able to balance our budget this year — let alone pay off any of the $14 trillion in debt that we have already accumulated.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/man ... 54659.html


Now seriously can it about the butter analogy, it is disingenious, and nothing more than a strawman. Btw, Butter is not considered vital to survive.



Today we found out that Obama’s February Deficit topped Bush’s Deficit for all of 2007. Barack Obama tripled the national Deficit in his first year in office.
http://politifi.com/news/Fail-Obama-Pos ... 04677.html



Whatever, this isn't a soap opera where: someone dies, no they didn't its the clone of their cousin whom is also their identical twin that actually died. That's what you sound like right now.



I am nearsighted, have bad ankles, bad knees, and am on a prescription medication for ADHD, I seriously doubt they'd take me.



I don't have kids currently, I'd like to have kids some day, but I don't want to bring children into the world when it is going to hell in a handbasket. For the record my dad used to be in the Restaurant business, so stop trying to engage in smear campaigns.



I have a good memory and the quote was relevant to the conversation.



Suggestion, stop being so thin-skinned. I've been called a lot worse by liberals on other forums routinely, quite frankly you haven't seen me lose my cool and engage in actually going for making disparaging remarks.



You missed the point, or do you think it is okay for people to fly planes into buildings that are full of innocent people.



Yeah like a Ferengi.



Actually, those kind of bullies are apolitical. I'm not particularly surprised that you think conservatives are the source of all evil it is in your highly partisan nature afterall.



I never decided to be your enemy, you sound like Obama calling fellow Americans the enemy because they disagree with you.

In my Opinion here is what you are saying: We have to be nice to Terrorists, but the evil right wingers are the enemy.



If you don't watch cable TV, I don't think you would have been able to watch Fox cause it is a CABLE Channel. That said, I think you are being disingenious, you must be really upset that your idol Keith Olbermann is gone from MSNBC.



Sorry but giving into one's hatred seems to be a leftist theme of late.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/tvshow ... evolution/

Hopefully it connects to the right video, but it really puts some stuff in an interesting perspective.