"The Right Way to Bribe Students"
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/freakonom ... 15497.html
This left me shaking my head. What do you guys think?
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Why? It all seems very logical to me.
If you compare it to a real scenario, it all makes sense.
To know that the christmas bonus won't be there if you don't meet your yearly quota, will motivate you to work alot harder in november/december than you would knowing the same thing in may/june. It all seems very logic. Faster reward means bigger motivation. Bigger bonus will make you work even harder. People count on their bonus to buy nicer christmas presents, and will work hard to avoid losing that privilege.
What I do find weird is that they have to research it when it is already commonly used(eg. x-mas bonus etc.). Perhaps thats why you shook your head?
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Why not give them assignments worth doing instead, instead of mudane tasks you have to resort to such motivation for. I mean fact of the matter is standardized tests are largly useless in my opinion. All it shows is you can take in and regurgitate information, one of the points I agreed with my rather right wing english teacher on, obviously we kind of clashed politically but he was still one of my favorite teachers because he was a good teacher.
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It's not unbelievable at all, people are motivated much more by immediate goals than vague unsure goals of the future. That's why people start and continue smoking. In the short term it's very gratifying, and the future results of it are variable in their negative effects and when they'll come.
That said, the entire US educational system sucks, and is pretty much just a prison for kids. It's nothing like being an adult working, as adults get to choose where they work, and if their boss does something they don't like, they can tell the boss to shove off and just leave the company. Also, you're not penalized for not working in this country, in fact you can get unemployment benefits quite easily. School on the other hand, if you don't like where you go to school, as a child you're utterly powerless to change it, and if you skip school, you go to juvie, not like adults who don't go to work. That's the drawback of compulsory education, you have a bunch of kids who simply don't wanna be there, and now they've finally figured out that kids will perform well if they're paid to be in the place they're forced to sit for 6 hours a day.
But yeah, paying people is generally the easiest way to get them to do things they don't care about/wanna do.
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I was "shaking my head" because we've gotten to the point where we have to pay kids to perform well in school--not the way it was done (immediate vs. long-term rewards makes sense to me too).
That's what I was getting at.
But yeah, paying people is generally the easiest way to get them to do things they don't care about/wanna do.
This too. It's just a sad state of affairs when, not only has this become "necessary", the people who have figured out the "best" way to do this talk about it like it's no big deal that this is what "education" has been reduced to.
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The existence of the leader who is wise
is barely known to those he leads.
He acts without unnecessary speech,
so that the people say,
'It happened of its own accord.' -Tao Te Ching, Verse 17
Another thing, too, it's Chicago, it's got the whole crappy "hood" culture going on ruining everything. Let me show you an excerpt of people talking about my home state and what is happening in elementary school there...
This goes back to what Bill Cosby talked about that everyone got mad at him about, his whole speech. http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm
So as for standardized tests, schools are being catered to the kids who wanna be football players and gangsters, and not to people who want to learn stuff, and the football players and gangster kids could care less about school, so it's useless to cater it to them, then the people who want to learn stuff end up not caring about school as it's entirely useless to them.
My colleagues and I have a saying: "Every job has it's share of photocopying."
Life is full of mundane tasks. Sometimes we simply have to get down to it and do the things that we dislike doing. Now that's not to say that this pedagogical approach is necessary best or even effective. But I think it's wrong to criticize school tasks as mundane. We all have lots of mundane things to do, and one of the things we should be teaching children is that mundane tasks are just as important as the fun tasks.
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