Autism cure close to being found?

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I doubt there is a set of abilities that is guaranteed to a large majority of autistics. There is too much variation within the spectrum to really say so. There are patterns that can be seen from IQ test subsets and similar tests. But real statistics don't show a very optimistic picture of the ability levels of those on the spectrum as a whole.


Ways of solving problems, and mental ability itself, aren't the same thing. Even if there are patterns across the spectrum, consisting of some kinds of processing capacities, that doesn't mean all such autistics are able to be fully operational of such capacities, as so many aspects of the brain have to be working to enable tasks to be completed. Even if they were to "learn" from you, they aren't going to get the abilities you have unless a corresponding improvement in their brain is done, hence why they would remain envious.


If this is the way you see things, then you shouldn't bash cure so easily. I think the purpose of cure is to make all strengths available universally, to all individuals, which would have to be done with neurological enhancements. I'm not sure what you mean by learning from each other, but it would be nice to just hand over abilities to others.


Savants make up a small percentage of the spectrum. Rainman isn't a realistic portrayal of the spectrum. So, autistics wouldn't be being "cured" of that. Of course, many others would love to have such talents. Anyway, there are quite a few individuals, NT, autistic, or whatever, who are brilliant enough to have talents in gambling that result in money making. Like in that movie which was named Casino. A lot of high-paid talent is employed in hedge funds and investment banks, conducting business which is a lot like gambling, except they're "gambling" with the real economy. So keeping the status quo for autism isn't needed for such talent to be retained.

1. Believe it or not, there are most likely going to be patterns that are not related to IQ tests; different senses are a big one. One study showed that autistics and aspies process information using different parts of the brain, it was conducted by showing them pictures and seeing which parts of their brain lit up. There was a pattern in this. Backtracking, IQ tests are not accurate for people who do not take instructions well. For example, my little brother tested as being mentally ret*d but then again he spent the entire time screwing with the puzzle blocks and not making the patterns that they told him to but instead making his own. He cannot speak, and still doesn't really follow instructions, but he's figured out how to fix the vacuum, a very old electric train set that supposedly didn't work anymore, and rig our hamster's cage so the hamster would escape on a race car track next time he broke out.

2. I don't think you understand how actual learning works in the first place. When you learn to ride a bike, you are doing something that is not naturally ingrained in your system. Yet, after learning how, it takes little to no thought. It's almost as easy as walking or running. It's like this with learning a foreign language or a dialect of a foreign language. For autistics, it is learning a neurotypical language, and for neurotypicals, it is learning an autistic language; sadly let's for a moment pretend that mostly neurotypicals are Americans shouting, "SPEAKADEENGLISH!! !!1"

3. The person is not bashing a cure, the person is saying that [either] they personally do not like the idea or they do not think that it is helpful to society.
--- You can't make all strengths universally available to others without screwing up humanity or cloning us all from one set of genes. It's seen in animals, it's seen in fish, it's seen in freaking plants. If everyone had the same set of default abilities, the world would be a dull place indeed.
--- Learning from each other should probably be self explanatory; you look at the way others see things and role play when the need arises and pretend that you can see things the same way; thus thinking differently for a brief moment in time.

4. You have no idea if a cure for autism would cure savantism or not.

It's not the fault of the IQ test that the tester doesn't know the right way to administer instructions. Those tests have to be carefully done by professionals.


Oversimplification and a fabrication.


There's no difference.


That's nonsense. I wonder how many out there really think it would be so dull if there were no exploitation, sadism, inequality, and chaos.

Oh, just pretend things are working and ignore reality.


There seems to be a lot you don't know much of either. How much misery has to be tolerated before your scare tactics become considered ridiculous?

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1. Believe it or not, there are most likely going to be patterns that are not related to IQ tests; different senses are a big one. One study showed that autistics and aspies process information using different parts of the brain, it was conducted by showing them pictures and seeing which parts of their brain lit up. There was a pattern in this. Backtracking, IQ tests are not accurate for people who do not take instructions well. For example, my little brother tested as being mentally ret*d but then again he spent the entire time screwing with the puzzle blocks and not making the patterns that they told him to but instead making his own. He cannot speak, and still doesn't really follow instructions, but he's figured out how to fix the vacuum, a very old electric train set that supposedly didn't work anymore, and rig our hamster's cage so the hamster would escape on a race car track next time he broke out

Back when I was a little kid, a school psychiatrist had tried to make me stack the blocks in a certain order, but I just wanted to play with them, and talk about the sea shells decorating his wall. He just ended up yelling at me, and deciding that I was hyperactive, as no one in America knew what Asperger's was back then.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Uh, it was carefully done by professionals at University of Chicago who were doing a study. On the same test with the same person I scored 160, while my brother scored around thirty.


OK, I take issue with being called a liar. What the hell is a lie in this statement?


Then by that logic you're bashing autists and aspies just for being autists and aspies by being so vehement that everyone support a cure.


No one would notice because everyone would be the exact same person.


Just because something takes time and energy means it doesn't work? Wow, what a strange, mixed up world we live in. I guess chemical reactions never occur! Thank you for enlightening me!


Considering I'm not actually using scare tactics, first until I start using them, which is never, and then probably two seconds, because they're really freaking easy to spot.

@Kraichgauer:

That's because people don't know how awesome sea shells are. You should have heard me when I learned that the sound you hear when you put a conch to your ear is actually the echoing of your blood stream. [And I quote: "Everything I know is a lieeeeee!"]

I was told I had Asperger's when I was expelled from school in the second grade for crying when I was late. Didn't do anything violent, just cried. :I People have a shocking capacity for stupidity. [Though, to be fair, I'll still meet the criteria after DSMV.]

@LennytheWicked-

I certainly thought sea shells were great at that age, as my Mom collected them.
As I had said before, back in those unenlightened days, I was misdiagnosed as hyperactive, and only was properly diagnosed in later life.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Not all studies are perfect. And IQ scores can come out different over time, especially if compared to childhood scores. The rest of your rebuttal is too absurd to dignify responses.

Considering your rhetoric generally consists of ad hominem and hyperbole, I could say the same for you.

Secondly, I never said all studies were perfect. But since the study consisted of checking the IQs of autistic children [from what I understand; this was several years ago], you would think that they would get a psychologist who knew what they were doing.

They're still unenlightened, is what I meant by the little anecdote. I was a second grader only about a decade ago.

honestly I completely disagree its human nature to want to be loved and accepted and with aspergers that can be really hard people change look at native Americans even if they weren't forced into it you would probably expect them to assimilate fairly soon. If there's a cure I'm definitely taking it being an nt would rock

If you have been a certain way all your life it would be very hard to change. Best example I could come up with off the top of my head- lets say there was surgery so people could have gills. Your not going to be able to just stick your head into the water and breath, your survival instinct would tell you your going to die. You are acting like you will suddenly go to a party and be the life of it. You probably wouldn't act that different if you got this so called cure. For your example they were forced to do it, so relating back here forced to take a cure. And if they chose to assimilate (when a lot of tribes did not want anything to do with the colonists) it would have taken years.

Added punctuation (at least close to correctly) was really hard to read.

Beer does the same thing. Removes repetitive self-grooming and increase social interactions. It doesn't mean you should get drunk each day.

Might be fun, though!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

At least until your liver fails.

Nobody's putting a gun to your head to take it!

Me? I'd rather be cured than live as an Aspie my whole life.

AS causes problems for some people, even when other people and their actions aren't involved. It's taken me a long time to learn to deal witth mine and to learn to try and respond in a normal manner and not overreact, and I like responding normally and not overreacting. I like being able to talk to people. I like being able to speak up, make eye contact, etc. Yes, I learned that on my own but there are some people who can't and who wan't to experience the fullness of life but can't because of their AS.

I suppose you may think that I should never have been born because I've learned to deal with my AS and act normally. Thinking that those who want a cure shouldn't have been born is pretty crazy. You may be proud of your AS and happy to have it and that's great, but it's not up to you to decide that everyone must feel as you do. I'm fine with people not wanting a cure, but if there was one available I'd take it no matter what you or anyone else thinks.

It's hypocritical to say that those who would want a cure should't have been born. You would be furious if somebody said those with AS shouldn't have been born because they don't act and think like NT's, yet you have no problem saying that some people with AS shouldn't have been born because they don't act or think like you.

Hypocrit much?