Scorecard: Attorney Priviledge by President

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*cough* BS *cough*

So you think the sample size and the simplistic counting of instances without consideration of reason or context are both meaningful?
Oh please.

I think this is much more relevant to this thread: Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him. Proverbs 26:12

I think this one would work better here: "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

Shouldn't the tally for Obama be 1 and still counting?

If you had been paying attention these past few years snapcap, you would know this isn't the first time Obama has used executive privilege, in fact I'm wondering if Longshanks missed a few.

Link?

I readily admit my biases and prejudices. However, I will leave it to an objective observer to determine whether and to what degree they are manifest in my postings.



I may have been ambiguous in my reference ot conscience, for which I will apologize. Your characterization of a reference to conscience is consistent with mine. Your conscience may properly guide you to a decision of whether or not to take on a matter, and (subject to the rules of professional conduct) may always guide you to a decision to withdraw. But I in no way meant to suggest that a lawyer's interests were elevated by that.

Now, I note your statement: "represent your client legally and zealously." Legally--you are I are in agreement here; the interests of the law come before the interests of the client. The lawyer's duty to the law (and to the court of which the lawyer is an officer) takes precedence over the lawyer's duty to the client. Always. And that, incidentally, is the reason that solicitor-client privilege exists in Anglo-American law--because it is the only way in which the lawyer's higher duty to the court can be reconciled with the interests of the client. The law carves out a special place into which the courts are prohibited from intruding in order that the hierarchy of duties can be maintained.



I don't think that you are wrong here--you have reasonable grounds to believe all of the things that you have said here. My only objection comes when we elevate inference (which can give rise to a reasonable grounds for belief) to the level of evidence (which can support a conclusion on the balance of probabilities).

We know that he has claimed privilege, and we can properly infer that he is hiding something behind that privilege. But we cannot conclude that this is the case. So long as we hold that distinction clear, I will not presume to question your inferences or the beliefs that you have as a result.

But, in my zealousness, I forgot to mention that there is one point that guides me from a prosecutor standpoint that many plain, everyday "lawyers" miss: Any good prosecutor, like any good investigator, only wants the truth. In my days with DoD, I managed to bring in some wicked convictions - never lost a case. But there are also people out there who will testify before God Himself that I worked equally as hard to exhonorate them. I never consider a conviction as a victory. I consider the finding of the truth, and doing so by honest means, a victory. And that trait is also what mad me good at intel with the military.

And as far as my Cousin Barry is concerned, along with Holder their examples in that area are, in my view, substantially lacking and limited in depth.

Longshanks

Statements in which I can wholeheartedly concur.



A view with which I will not disagree.

We are, at long last, ad idem!

There were 2 other requests by Congress concerning a couple of Obama's "Czars" that were refused, but were mooted because the "Czars" in question resigned. I still count those - just like I count John Adams' refusal which was also mooted because Adams eventually changed his mind and revealed the documents in a timely fashion. Due to my wife doing research for our daughter's upcoming wedding, my access to the computer has been limited. However, when I can get on it my research continues. I'm currently in the middle of the Cleveland Administration.

Longshanks