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03 Dec 2014, 5:10 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/nyreg ... arner.html

No Indictment in Eric Garner Chokehold Case for N.Y.P.D. Officer

"A Staten Island grand jury voted on Wednesday not to bring criminal charges in the death of Eric Garner, a black man who died after being placed in a chokehold by a white police officer.

The decision was reached after months of testimony, including from the officer who used the chokehold, Daniel Pantaleo. The grand jury reached its decision less than two weeks after a grand jury in Ferguson, Mo., declined to bring charges against a white officer who fatally shot an unarmed black teenager, Michael Brown.

An autopsy by the city’s medical examiner found that Mr. Garner’s death was a homicide resulting from the chokehold and the compression of his chest by police officers.

For days, the New York Police Department has been preparing for a new round of protests, which first began in the city after the Ferguson decision and were expected to continue and possibly grow if the grand jury declined to bring charges against the officer.

President Obama said that he was committed to making sure that this is a nation where all citizens believe “in the core principal that we are equal under the law.”

He said he had consulted with Attorney General Eric Holder about the case after the decision was announced.

“We are not going to let up until we see a strengthening of the trust and strengthening of the accountability that exists between our communities and our law enforcement,” Mr. Obama said.

Mayor Bill de Blasio, saying that it was a “deeply emotional day” for the Garner family and all New Yorkers, acknowledged that many people would not agree with the grand jury’s decision.

“Today’s outcome is one that many in our city did not want,” Mr. de Blasio said in a statement. “Yet New York City owns a proud and powerful tradition of expressing ourselves through nonviolent protest. We trust that those unhappy with today’s grand jury decision will make their views known in the same peaceful, constructive way.

“We all agree that demonstrations and free speech are valuable contributions to debate, and that violence and disorder are not only wrong, but hurt the critically important goals we are trying to achieve together.”

The officer at the center of the Staten Island case released a statement offering the family of Mr. Garner his sympathies.

“I became a police officer to help people and to protect those who can’t protect themselves,” Officer Pantaleo said. “It is never my intention to harm anyone, and I feel very bad about the death of Mr. Garner. My family and I include him and his family in our prayers and I hope that they will accept my personal condolences for their loss.”

Jonathan C. Moore, a lawyer for the Garner family, said they hoped that federal prosecutors would continue to examine the case, and he urged people upset by the decision to voice their dismay, but to do so peacefully.

“We’re astounded by the outcome of the grand jury process and that after hearing months of evidence and having deliberated that they would find no true bill as to any potential criminal charge,” Mr. Moore said in a phone interview.

“It’s very upsetting to us – we obviously hope that the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District, Loretta Lynch, will take a close look at this.”

In Ferguson, protesters and police officers clashed in the streets almost immediately after Mr. Brown’s killing by Officer Darren Wilson in August; riots erupted on the night the grand jury’s decision was announced last month. By contrast, in late August, a demonstration on Staten Island over the death of Mr. Garner, 43, proceeded without confrontation or arrest.

Police Commissioner William J. Bratton, speaking at a news conference earlier on Wednesday, said that he expected any protests to be peaceful and that the police were prepared to deal with anyone seeking to cause trouble.

“We have had quite a bit of time to prepare for the events that will unfold here for the next few days,” Mr. Bratton said.

While seeking to ensure that people can voice their opinions, Mr. Bratton said the police would “take forceful action” against those who used the protests to break the law.

The grand jury, impanelled by the Staten Island district attorney, Daniel M. Donovan Jr., in September, has weighed evidence, including a cellphone video recorded by bystanders of Mr. Garner’s violent arrest, and heard testimony from the officers involved.

Grand juries determine whether enough evidence exists for a case to go forward to a criminal trial, either before a jury or a judge. By law, they operate in secret and hear only evidence presented by prosecutors, who also instruct the grand jurors on the law. Defense lawyers are barred from speaking. For a decision, 12 jurors who have heard all the evidence must agree.

In a statement, Mr. Donovan said that he was constrained by law from discussing details of the case but that he had petitioned the court for “authorization to publicly release specific information in connection with this grand jury investigation.”

He expressed his condolences to the family and said that his office conducted a thorough investigation that “spanned four months.”

They conducted “over 38 interviews” and located 22 civilian witnesses, he said. Investigators also spoke with the emergency responders who provided medical treatment both at the scene and at the hospital, and expert witnesses in the area of forensic pathology, policies, procedures, and training of police officers.

“I assured the public that I was committed to a fair, thorough, and responsible investigation into Mr. Garner’s death, and that I would go wherever the evidence took me, without fear or favor,” he said. In the end, he said, the grand jury faithfully executed their duty.

An indictment was considered only against Officer Pantaleo, who testified last, on Nov. 21, his lawyer, Stuart London, said. The other officers received immunity, he said.

The case exposed apparent lapses in police tactics – chokeholds are banned by the Police Department’s own guidelines – and raised questions about the aggressive policing of minor offenses in a time of historically low crime. The officers involved, part of a plainclothes unit, suspected Mr. Garner of selling loose cigarettes on the street near the Staten Island Ferry Terminal, a complaint among local business owners.

Mr. Garner’s death hastened an effort to retrain all the department’s patrol officers and brought scrutiny on how officers who violate its rules are disciplined. Officer Pantaleo has been stripped of his gun and badge.

It was unclear whether Officer Pantaleo would return to enforcement duties. Commissioner Bratton said he would remain on suspension pending an internal investigation by the Police Department.

The Rev. Al Sharpton, who is scheduled to hold a news conference with Mr. Garner’s family later in the evening, said that he was not surprised by the decision and that he had little faith in local prosecutors when it came to pursuing cases against the police.

“People thought we were being extreme,” Mr. Sharpton said. “But now, I think you can see, we have no confidence in the state grand juries, whether in Ferguson or in New York, because there is an intrinsic relationship between state prosecutors and the police; they depend on the police for their evidence, they run for office and depend on the unions for endorsements.”



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03 Dec 2014, 8:07 pm

I can't believe that! The police so clearly escalated the situation.



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03 Dec 2014, 10:55 pm

Points of any wrongdoing based on the law? I haven't read up on said case.



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03 Dec 2014, 11:21 pm



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03 Dec 2014, 11:27 pm

All because he was selling loosies, this man wasn't hurting anyone.

edit: SUSPECTED of selling loosies, no cigarettes were found on him



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03 Dec 2014, 11:29 pm

No only did they choke him into unconsciousness, they did nothing to assist medically once they realized he was in distress.



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03 Dec 2014, 11:37 pm

what can all the legalists add to this? the message of these grand juries is clear- "some people are more 'equal' than other people."



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03 Dec 2014, 11:47 pm

I'd neglect what the cameraman is saying at first.

-he resisted arrest -- which did bring on the physical force
-said force killed him; hard to say what part. Perhaps aspiration with his chest being compressed on the ground (being obese would add to it). Just tumbling a 400 pound man can possibly kill him due to the force needed to get him on the ground

That's actually a hard one. I didn't see much in the way of excessive force.

They should have listened to him when he said he wasn't breathing though.

Yeah, I'd kick it up due to the latter bit. Saying he had trouble breathing when he was on the ground (effectively immobilized), should have been listened to.



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03 Dec 2014, 11:52 pm

I hope justice can be obtained via civil suits at least. why should anybody [not middle or upper class, in any case] trust the police?



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04 Dec 2014, 12:19 am

To me, it looks like the biggest issue is laws governing the behavior the man was arrested for (which led to the incident).

It shouldn't be illegal to sell single cigarettes anywhere (unless you're on someone's private property). And arresting this individual doesn't seem like it'd work anyway (30+ times in the past IIRC).

If it's not illegal, you don't have situations like this happening. The police after all enforce the laws on the books.



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05 Dec 2014, 12:57 pm

John Stewart's take:



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05 Dec 2014, 1:05 pm

another case where the oinkers are being judge, jury and executioner, protecting and serving the merchant and upper classes ONLY, literally stomping and strangling on anybody underneath. the almighty merchants could not abide competition from this black man. so they cried to their enforcers, the cops. can't have pofolk enjoying a middle-class product now, can we.



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05 Dec 2014, 1:37 pm

Government is force. The unspoken codicil to "The government ought to regulate X" is "and the police ought to employ violence against those who violate this regulation." To advocate a nanny state is to advocate widespread violence against citizens.

I actually feel sorry for the better cops. More and more they are asked to enforce unjust and irrational laws.


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05 Dec 2014, 1:44 pm

when gov't and the justice system aid and abet the middle and upper classes in their scapegoating of the working class, it's all over. America's FINISHED. DONE. stick a fork in it.



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05 Dec 2014, 6:49 pm

Just imagine what Garner's wife had to go through when she told her kids that daddy wasn't coming home.


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05 Dec 2014, 6:58 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Just imagine what Garner's wife had to go through when she told her kids that daddy wasn't coming home.

off course that is never a concern of the legalists.