Maoris going to TAKE Over New Zealand.......

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Land wars

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I dont think so but hmmm... Pretty scary thought the hinterland is out of bounds for white man and has been for 20 + years apparently.. some access to secret areas military camps accessible only by horse back... (it sounds like a great movie...)

In New Zealand there have been many arrests relating to firearms illegal (grenade AK47 etc Camouflage suits etc ...

yea.. And the suggestion of Miltary camps deep in our native bush...

Maoris training up to kill? mmm I can see them overtaking trying to claim back their "LAND" in certain areas of the North Island thats wear they are highly populated but hmmm...

Interesting thought can New Zealand be new korea middle east iraq etc with WAR...

Major police anti-terror and firearms raids carried out -
http://www.tv3.co.nz/tabid/184/articleI ... fault.aspx

Court hears accused declared war on New Zealand -
http://www.tv3.co.nz/Courthearsaccusedd ... fault.aspx

What was going on inside the Ureweras? -
http://www.tv3.co.nz/News/NationalNews/ ... t.aspx#top
http://www.tv3.co.nz/VideoBrowseAll/Nat ... 6980#video

Yea its very interesting!! And making world news.. Thought it would be good to hear opinions...

Can i edit polls? ... I had three options 1 Yes, there will be 2 Perhaps, might be 3 Not in a million years..

But hmm third one didnt make it

so Have you heard this story where you are from?
I saw it on bbc news.

I only heard about the weapons raids.

I fixed it so you have three options now.

No well apparently there is secret military camps in bush...

scary exciting lol mmm... ANything bad happens Ill try and run to Aussie. Thats a solution eh ? lol


mmm


Thanks for fixing poll

Ha thought i did it when i first returned to topic eh but then read your post lol haha nah cheers

interesting videos there eh

Sorry, didn't look at the videos....

'Night. You're up waaaaaay past your bedtime, Kiwi.....

It never turned up in the news in the USA.

LOL
I can't believe anyone feels any real threat, lol, the whole thing is a cook up to help create support for the anti terrorist legislation under discussion.
Any real threat is to our civil liberties, the proposed legislation intends to move the right to define and deal with 'terrorism' from the Judicial [and theoretically apolitical] to the Executive [the reigning government], it is draconian and absolutely completely unnecessary and has little support outside of the two major parties and even then there is a certain squeamishness within the ranks. Also it would require us to adopt UN definitions of who is a terrorist.

I have a background moving in certain circles that would probably now be defined as 'radical' I am anti-capitalist/anti globalist, an environmentalist and wish to pursue a collectivist/holistic social policy. In all my time and activity I met no-one who considered the use of violence acceptable - EVEN IN SELF DEFENSE I was usually the most radical voice, lol.
This does not mean that sabotage and blockade were not acceptable, however there is certainly no need for any law changes to intimidate a handful of anti GE or mining protesters.
As for Maori radicalism, I have had a reasonable amount of contact with a cross section of Maori and I just don't see anyone who gives any kind of violent rebellion consideration, especially as they gain momentum politically.
Tame Iti is alright, like I said a cook up, those 'military style' training camps were not at all sinister.

1/ they used to be government funded 'immersion tikanga maori/bush craft/confidence wananga.

2/ ok, realistically some of those lads probably took their skills and went dope growing - big deal, no victim no crime.

3/ the local community has always been a little 'wild' their people never signed the treaty and they never ceded their sovereignty.

4/ This is just such a great funny cop story, especially after the buggers got away with being pack rapists and all - that was truly depressing, though they are both very 'banana republic' lol, third world here we come, lol.....

I would say hey 'Aussies we're open to offers', but you already own most of the bloody place, lol

peace j

People who moon at the Queen must have something going for them

Hands across the world to the monarchists in New Zealand.

Yea...

Im not scared or feel threatened....... well I guess I am but not really lol.. Not at the moment.

Just a scary thought of possibility.



Its bad how we nzers cant access all of nz. When I saw this on TV I simply thought wow its like a movie....

"I have a background moving in certain circles that would probably now be defined as 'radical' I am anti-capitalist/anti globalist, an environmentalist and wish to pursue a collectivist/holistic social policy. In all my time and activity I met no-one who considered the use of violence acceptable - EVEN IN SELF DEFENSE I was usually the most radical voice, lol.
This does not mean that sabotage and blockade were not acceptable, however there is certainly no need for any law changes to intimidate a handful of anti GE or mining protesters. "
I agree my Uncle protested as well a "radical".. I want to protest too lol

Its a scary thought eh. 30 years ago if someone left their handbag at a bus stop they would HAND it in. Now the person leaving it could be terrorist...? wheres the line of law...

Haha open to offers lol... for what lol... Buying us out lol yea become one flag...?

mmm... I was thinking it would possibly be good if NZ became two states ?.. your thoughts lol... mm well south island has different needs to North Island ... I guess I dunno... I just think of Auckland and our tax money going there...


What radical things have aspies done? ? ? / you done?

im scared of our rights too lol

and yea know it could be timed ( the raids) scary to think they timed it simply for political reasons / law.


Putting maori relations back a hundred years I dont think so.... He raised a few good points tho... tactics wise.

could i be a terrorist ? lol thats what is scary lol... if i accidentally left a bag somewhere would i automatically be locked up without question...
what if accidentally yelled the word bomb or something I dunno... Innocent people could get locked up... protestors etc

Hi Kiwi, where abouts are you cuz'?
I was raised in Waitakere but I live in the SI now [lots of time in the North West/Kahurangi and currently in Ch-Ch].

I'm not sure we can afford to start divying up and still have enough critical mass to remain a 'modern' society, most of our achievements have happened during times of great collective effort and practical socialism [regardless of rhetoric].
The who contributes what equation as to 'AK sucking up everything'? I think it depends what you look at, any large city [lets say beyond the size of a 'provincial service center'] will tend to be parasitic as the majority of it's citizens will tend to be involved in service rather than primary production roles or localised manufacturing, this always siphons the productivity of the primary sector as they facilitate the collective functions of the society in general.

As to the access to all of NZ?
I don't think the reaction of some people under stress and angry telling the state media lackeys to bugger off is any real indication of access.
In my personal experience I have chosen not to cross privately held lands wherever possible regardless of race as a sign of respect, and where I needed to I showed the usual respects regarding, gates, waterways and resources etc...

The only times I have been told I was not allowed access or thrown off the land was by white people, I have however felt a little 'watched' when passing through some remote Maori owned lands or areas under dispute or with certain locally accepted customary 'reserve' with regard kai moana, however whether this was any more intense than some remote white communities is totally dependent on perspective, whenever there is a Maori in my party the response is often more terse/suspicious.

These new 'laws' that are being slipped into democracies all over the world to erode civil liberties and even further entrench a questionable status quo are definitely more scary than a few stroppy Maori, we have worked things out as neighbours most times in the past and I am sure we will continue to, however the growing gap between the rich and poor here, the increasing arrogance of our management class [I refuse to see them as my rulers, that is not who we are], these are things that are scary.
I remember NZ pre 1981 and I have watched all the changes and many of them are scary and imported uglinesses that we just don't need or can't afford to buy into, we have no major problems we can't sort civily.
We are at the end of the day the largest two Islands in Polynesia, we are a tiny wee outpost of a faded empire and we should perhaps change our focus and sort our act out for the long run, I'd like to get back to the days when that bag would be handed in rather than rifled through and hiffed away, or seen as a threat.

All that said it's mostly still alright and we are starting to address a few issues, though how much action we will see in an age of the 'capitalist free for all' we have become is anyones guess?

peace j

yea peace...


mmm... its interesting because my grandfather said that the maoris would take over nz. lol and if not china would...

interesting but yea im no hater lol. Just interesting.


............. Yip im in CHCH too. as to aucks sucking everything up... mmm yea depends where u live but mm... I havnt researched it to much to detail so cant really start protesting now.

I just think a lot of south island is rural (lol I dunno sorta making this up)... shouldnt of said that but hey. honesty lol..

I reckon there are different values on each island.. lol water ways farming. west coast tourism GREEN image etc Garden city CHCH beach city Nelson new chinese garden dunedin.. wanaka lake... mmm

haha... I used to live on the sunshine coast of Australia so its very interesting me seeing the difference of two countries. Noosa to be exact. Nice spot. The trees are out growing buildings due to height restrictions.

mmm... New laws are a bit scary. SHould we go "radical".. haha or we might be terrorists too.

.... You have been watched because no one likes someone stealing their 'crops' lol.

Nice chattn bro perhaps we could meet up.

I quite like Tama Iti. It is hard to really understand the situation. His son presented very well on television - and I found myself agreeing with his perception of his father. Tama has taken a lot of s**t in his time - but obviously he has given it as well.
I don't know - Tama is a stirrer - but I don't really see him as a terrorist.

Though they did find semiautomatics and molotov cocktails - the outcome will be interesting.

Well said and welcome lucy1.
A couple of 22's and some Molotov cocktails sounds more like guerrilla war than terrorism anyway - a Molotov is a pretty damn intimate and confrontational device, The sort of weapon is only really useful in mass unrest situations where you have a reasonable mob to intimidate your targets [and perhaps the moral right to assert yourselves?]. They usually achieve bugger all and are pretty much symbolic unless you are maintaining some strategic advantage like partisan warfare in the Balkans during WWII where they were used pretty effectively against light armor in urban situations.
I can't see a practical use in any kind of bush environment when your opponent has air-power to hit you with and enhance their mobility. All you could possibly achieve is clearing away some underbrush you are relying on for an advantage.

I question the veracity of any such 'finds' anyway, and perhaps if this is how they are to be treated around the Tuhoi nation? well maybe they would be best to prepare, in fact maybe we should all be getting scared, lol.
John Key or Helen Clark with the right to shut me away? - yeah right?
peace j

Yes - It did occur to me to query the veracity of such 'finds' as well.

Thanks for your welcome - I appreciate it a lot. Reassuring.

It is nice to see some local stories and posters on this site.