Any military history buffs here?

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Then check this out...

And this!

With the last one, A similar concept was created using two He.111 aircraft (designation "Zwilling". They were used as towing aircraft for the Me.321 heavy gliders used on the east front, until the Me.323 powered glider was built.

Wonder if the Horton is responsible for all those Nazi flying saucer rumours??

[quote="pakled"]General Custard? wasn't he the one who was killed in the basement with a pipe wrench?...

Nah...That was Colonel Mustard. General Custard was killed in the conservatory with a rope

This was the US' equivlent to the Zwilling...

The F-82

And the Ho 229 was essentaly the precoursour to the B-2 and flying wing designs

If the Royal Navy had not retired HMS Ark Royal, that war would have never happenned. If the "Ark" was in the fight, her AEWaircraft would have given the rest of the task force ample warning to take action--not to mention that the Argentean pilots would have had to get past her F-4s to launch her attacks.

Also the F-4s and Buccaneers on the "Ark" would have been able to hit targets in Argentina. this would have been very difficult for the Harriers in the fleet to do. In addition, the Buccaneers, when fitted with the appropriate anti ship missile (Harpoon perhaps?) would have created a missile threat for the Argentean fleet.

Argentina believed that the UK would try to resolve the conflict through diplomatic means. Possession being 9/10 of the law, Argentina felt they would have been able to keep the Falklands (and the oil field underneath them) . They know better now.

Zwilling and Twin Mustang were interesting concepts since more guns to use. However neither of them have much of on impact in the war. P-38 Lighting pretty much had a big impact in both theaters. Maybe the Zwilling and Twin Mustang took ideas from the Lighting since it came out before these two aircrafts did.

sorry about the Colonel Mustard crack; sometimes my sense of pun-ishment gets a bit random...

I've read a few books on the Falklands; one of the major problems during the conflict was all the flying over the ocean; the Argentines had to fly out from the mainland and back. This cut back on the time they could spend over the islands. The British had some flights that had to fly thousands of miles, get refueled repeatedly, just to get to target.

The Harrier did more than expected, but less than reported.

The Harrier by far is a good aircraft since its vertical take off capability means you don't need a runaway. U.S. Marine Corps actually flies the Sea Harrier 2 from the U.S. Navy Amphibious Assault Ships.

Im suprprised that they havent made a VTOL F-22 yet... I mean with its thrust vectors it should make it easier...

You must have been watching the History Channel which is called the Hitler Channel because there is so much WW2 material shown.

ruveyn

lol?

The US Airforce does used VTOL aircraft (Helicopters at most) at all. The US Marine Corps do because they are the sister branch of the US Navy. Also the F-35 Lighting II does have VTOL version for the Marines only.

Im suprised the US Army dosent use a VTOL... to replace the strike helicpoters...

The Apache Longbow has no rival to match it with its capabilities. Plus the Apache Longbow is one sight you don't wanted see if you're enemy. In other words, the US Army has no need at the moment to have a new VTOL Aircraft (Helicopter) to replace the Apache Longbow.

it's a question of what mission the aircraft is supposed to fulfill. VTOL is a huge fuel-hogging maneuver, so that influences design (form follows function). Helicopters are designed to hover and ascend, while VTOL has to be both vertically and horizontally tasked; this leads to compromises.

Actually, the Military Channel does the occasional fighter and helicopter shows, or used to.

One thing I heard during the Falklands war (or it was on the radio at the time...I'm actually that old.. was that the Harriers, if chased by the A4, would suddenly stop in mid-air, let the pursuing plances overshoot them, then shoot them down. I think that was disprooved later, but I do like the concept.

Well VTOL stands for Vertical Take Off and Landing which Helicopters fall under that concept. V-22 Osprey which is VTOL aircraft has the similar concept as the Harrier.