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24 Apr 2015, 5:57 pm

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I believe there are times when, owing to the diminished desire to socialize, that Aspergians acquire more and varied "book knowledge" than many NT's.

knowledge != intelligence


Sez who? Knowledge is a form of intelligence.

knowledge requires some degree of intelligence. they are not one in the same though



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24 Apr 2015, 6:03 pm

"Intelligence," especially of the verbal-cognitive variety, enables one to acquire "knowledge" in a broadened manner.



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24 Apr 2015, 6:16 pm

Aurelia_aurita wrote:
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I believe there are times when, owing to the diminished desire to socialize, that Aspergians acquire more and varied "book knowledge" than many NT's.

knowledge != intelligence


Sez who? Knowledge is a form of intelligence.

knowledge requires some degree of intelligence.


And intelligence requires some degree of knowledge. The two are more intertwined than you think.



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24 Apr 2015, 6:23 pm

I believe "knowledge" and "intelligence" have, at times, a symbiotic relationship to each other.

I also believe both provide "scaffolding" for each other.



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24 Apr 2015, 6:51 pm

Fluid reasoning is using intelligence in situations that don't depend on knowledge.
Applying one's knowledge in different situations and gaining new knowledge are other ways to use intelligence.


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24 Apr 2015, 7:11 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
Fluid reasoning is using intelligence in situations that don't depend on knowledge.

Fluid reasoning is using intelligence in situations that don't depend on acquired knowledge.

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Applying one's knowledge in different situations and gaining new knowledge are other ways to use intelligence.


True.



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24 Apr 2015, 7:30 pm

I feel like everyone in this thread is just stating the obvious at this point. What else is there to talk about?



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24 Apr 2015, 9:10 pm

Fluid reasoning tasks are often pattern recognition tasks that deliberately try to minimize application of knowledge like factual information.


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24 Apr 2015, 10:15 pm

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Fluid reasoning tasks are often pattern recognition tasks that deliberately try to minimize application of knowledge like factual information.


How might a knowledge of said patterns (or various patterns) affect the outcome of the tasks?



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24 Apr 2015, 10:21 pm

rugulach wrote:
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Fluid reasoning tasks are often pattern recognition tasks that deliberately try to minimize application of knowledge like factual information.


How might a knowledge of said patterns (or various patterns) affect the outcome of the tasks?


I think they tested people in western countries and people in some isolated cultures with no formal education in geometry or anything else, and the results were similar on these fluid reasoning tests. The point is to recognize patterns and make inferences from only the data you see now, not relate it to some knowledgebase.


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I think they tested people in western countries and people in some isolated cultures with no formal education in geometry or anything else, and the results were similar on these fluid reasoning tests. The point is to recognize patterns and make inferences from only the data you see now, not relate it to some knowledgebase.


But if you did have a considerable knowledge-base, that should provide you with ammunition to subvert the philosophy behind these tests. I suppose it comes down to how foolproof these tests actually are, notwithstanding their own claims.



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24 Apr 2015, 10:50 pm

rugulach wrote:
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I think they tested people in western countries and people in some isolated cultures with no formal education in geometry or anything else, and the results were similar on these fluid reasoning tests. The point is to recognize patterns and make inferences from only the data you see now, not relate it to some knowledgebase.


But if you did have a considerable knowledge-base, that should provide you with ammunition to subvert the philosophy behind these tests. I suppose it comes down to how foolproof these tests actually are, notwithstanding their own claims.


There's little to subvert in these tests, you just recognize a pattern and pick one of the items to match the pattern.
These tests are not about interpretations of ambiguous ideas.


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24 Apr 2015, 10:54 pm

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There's little to subvert in these tests, you just recognize a pattern and pick one of the items to match the pattern.
These tests are not about interpretations of ambiguous ideas.


So what distinguishes an easy question from a hard question on such a test?



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24 Apr 2015, 10:57 pm

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There's little to subvert in these tests, you just recognize a pattern and pick one of the items to match the pattern.
These tests are not about interpretations of ambiguous ideas.


So what distinguishes an easy question from a hard question on such a test?


The combination of different patterns that must be matched within the series of images.


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24 Apr 2015, 11:07 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
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There's little to subvert in these tests, you just recognize a pattern and pick one of the items to match the pattern.
These tests are not about interpretations of ambiguous ideas.


So what distinguishes an easy question from a hard question on such a test?


The combination of different patterns that must be matched within the series of images.


Then wouldn't a knowledge of different combinations be helpful?



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24 Apr 2015, 11:08 pm

My IQ is of about 120


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