16 Sep 2015, 12:41 am
I say allergies are the only dangerous side because it's a flower, it's gonna produce some histamine reactions. They vary but especially considering most people just smoke it, they're quite minor; I have middling reactions so I just stick to concentrates (hash & custom glass for it) but I can still go take a 20 mile bike ride after smoking ganja all day, easy enough.
I've found hallucinogens beneficial too but not so much the ones most people would prefer. Herbalism could be a lifetime of study so I stick with what I've found the most uses for. I've had all kinds of trips that enriched my life, I just shouldn't necessarily repeat them.
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16 Sep 2015, 2:00 am
16 Sep 2015, 2:17 am
My brother, I just found out, is on FMLA for anxiety. Hasn't worked for several months - works for the postal service. He didn't go the marijuana route, but instead he's gone the alcohol route and popping prescription meds of Xanax and klonopin. My sister-in-law said he's drinking a lot. He keeps complaining of extreme anxiety. What he doesn't understand is the rebound effect of the alcohol and benzos in regards to sleep and anxiety. We'll be lucky if he doesn't kill himself accidentally from an overdose.
I also have anxiety problems and social problems evidently, otherwise I would be going out on dates and married by now. I haven't been on a date either in several years. Have minimal friends - 3. I, however, could not go the marijuana route because I actually don't believe it's good for one's health and I also have a job which I would lose (along with my nurse's license) if I got drug tested. So I also believe in only the medical uses that its been designated for.
I've been trying to find out how marijuana helps for Aspergers. How has it helped you specifically?
Your last question first:
Being an aspie and I don't know how many other see this in themselves but when I'm in a situation where I'm meeting with people on a personal level, I'm intimidated, self-conscious, nervous, anxious; what I say in a conversation isn't worth them hearing what I have to say. I feel inferior like these people have their stuff together right and they're able to interact they way to Lego bricks do. Others can sense my tension and they do one of two things; reach out to see if they can't coax me into some conversation that'll open me up or to see if I'm okay. That's what pisses me off. When people constantly ask the uncomfortable-looking one at a gathering, "are you okay, sweetie?" I'm like, "yes, I'm fine, just go away"
Took one hit off someone's bowl. Bam. Conversation, jokes, anecdotes, remembrances, it all comes flowing out as if I was a clogged drain but cannabis was the draino.
As for, "that's why it's still illegal"..
Just because a medicine has a good side-effect doesn't make it a bad drug. There's nothing that says that a drug's side-effects be as unpleasant sounding as anal leakage and bleeding. Marijuana, when taken correctly and responsibly and mindfully has very few if any side-effects other than superficial things like dry mouth, increased hunger and drowsiness. Have you heard the side-effects of medications they're marketing on TV? They're worse than the symptoms you're trying to treat!
If there was a strain of weed out there that would allow me to be as clear-headed as I am now and not feel intoxicated but help out with my ADHD and Aspergers, I'd take it for school for sure but the feel-good component is important in stressful or anxious situations where you don't want to feel like you're in the spotlight and your zipper is open or you have TP on your shoe.
When I'm high, I feel like I don't and can't be bothered with what others think of me. I learned to be open and honest about my sexuality, my likes, dislikes, I can talk at length about any subject I consider myself an expert on and not feel judged. Sure, if my zipper is open and a nut is showing, yeah, I'll zipper up because it's making someone else uncomfortable.
Anyway, that's my take on it from my admittedly limited experience with cannabis.
I can understand about what you said - using it for a social situation, but when people say they are getting high A LOT, that says they aren't using it for the purpose they intended to use it for. To me, that's no better than an alcoholic. You can't perform a job when you're high, or drive a car or do anything else that takes responsibility. And it's illegal. And if it is legal in one's state that doesn't mean your employer wants you using it. Most reputable companies drug test and marijuana stays in the system at least 30 days.
You know, I read this one thing a long time ago that was about this study that had been done on alcohol and if it really does help people to be more social. What they found out is the ones that were given a placebo of what they thought was alcohol acted just as social as the ones who received alcohol. I wonder if the same outcome would happen with a marijuana study?
16 Sep 2015, 2:35 am
What kind of reputable company coerces its' employees to breach medical confidentiality?! Certainly nobody I work with.
I didn't understand a thing you just said. The difference with me is that I tried, I guess contrary to your user name you don't want to read into medical terminology.
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16 Sep 2015, 2:42 am
I never said I'd drive to work at 7AM stoned out of my mind
seriously, do you really believe all that? Care to substantiate it with your own experiences? Seems to me all those laws were written by people with absolutely no idea what they were banning, I don't forget a decade of practice in my craft just because I lit a joint, I forget all this BS. You're even wrong about the metabolite half-lives; I can detox entirely in 3-4 days with normal exercise, there's just no reason to.
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-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
16 Sep 2015, 2:48 am
^^
lol, previously in this thread she said "I don't know anything about this stuff". And now she's preaching about it(of course)
16 Sep 2015, 6:05 am
16 Sep 2015, 6:20 am
I can understand about what you said - using it for a social situation, but when people say they are getting high A LOT, that says they aren't using it for the purpose they intended to use it for. To me, that's no better than an alcoholic. You can't perform a job when you're high, or drive a car or do anything else that takes responsibility. And it's illegal. And if it is legal in one's state that doesn't mean your employer wants you using it. Most reputable companies drug test and marijuana stays in the system at least 30 days.
You know, I read this one thing a long time ago that was about this study that had been done on alcohol and if it really does help people to be more social. What they found out is the ones that were given a placebo of what they thought was alcohol acted just as social as the ones who received alcohol. I wonder if the same outcome would happen with a marijuana study?
I never said I intended to use it for anything other than getting high. Originally I said I started when I was 17, like may people just looking to get high. I discovered it helped with alot more. So it was an accident. I didn't go looking for medicine, just escape. I am an escapist by nature, whether thats a good or bad thing I do not know, but it's what I am.
And Ive gotten high at every single job Ive ever had and done better while high then while not- because of the stated caring. I really don't give a damn about my employer or what they want or what's good for them. They are there to be used just like they use me. So getting a little high helps me get into my job and concentrate. I had one employer who would send me out to smoke when they knew I didnt beforehand because they could tell by my negative attitude and poor performance. And I've never worked a job with regular drug tests, only a entry one. I'd never work a job with regular drug tests because that would not be worth it for me. The way I see it is if they are that tight assed about it, It's probably not the only thing they are. That's not for me.
And it's far, far better than an alcoholic because it does not impact you in nearly the same way. As someone who's done plenty of both, this is basically indisputable and would be backed up why anyone with comparable experience with both. You can do anything high that you can do normally. I do it usually even a little better because of all the negative aspects of my mind that it quiets. Maybe some people cannot, this I do not know. But I know what I am capable of. With all due respect that statement about not being able to do anything that takes responsibility is clearly spoken from ignorance and assumptions. It is simply not correct.
And legality is not something that prevents me from doing what I want. I just have to try not to get caught. I am not slave to laws, especially stupid ones.
16 Sep 2015, 6:29 am
lol, previously in this thread she said "I don't know anything about this stuff". And now she's preaching about it(of course)
Nah I don't think she was preaching, just expressing her views on it. It just so happens she does not have sufficient experience to fully know what she's talking about and is probably expressing it from a medical perspective. Truth is the medical field doesn't know much about it either. Everything we've ever been taught about MJ is from the one-sided DARE/"drugs are bad" mentality. I can;t blame someone for having this view if they are reasonable about it. But it annoys the hell out of me when I have to live a lower quality of life because of it.
Also, we're all a product of our experiences. She's obviously experienced drug abuse first hand in her family and has formed an opinion partially based upon that. It's incorrect in my opinion, but understandable.
And my experiences are that MJ is extremely helpful, fun and relaxing. Everyone in my family smokes. We smoke at our family gatherings. It's a good time for all.
But I could discuss/argue weed for days so I digress. Im writing a friggin book here. I just love the stuff what do you want from me?
16 Sep 2015, 7:26 am
16 Sep 2015, 1:05 pm
16 Sep 2015, 1:16 pm
Cannabis is like anything else you can do recreationally. You can have sex recreationally, you can exercise, you can cook, walk, bike, watch TV, play video games, drink, smoke, inject, vape, dab...and still over do it.
Yeah, I love getting high. Doesn't mean it isn't without its benefits. Yeah, I have a much easier time of getting along with my peers while high. Some people are better socially in furry costumes as an example. So if that happens to get them off while being able to maintain friendships and a healthy work ethic, let him or her or them be furries.
I'm a fan of my medicine. I'm a stoner who likes his medicine.
I love the way I think when I'm stoned. I could be stoned 24/7 if I had anything to say about it. I may just might for a week to see what that's like!
I must have some friends in DC or Colorado or even Vansterdam (hint - looking at you big mouth! 
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16 Sep 2015, 1:27 pm
Unless it were a matter or STRONG edibles, I'm not really sure how one would conduct a placebo study on marijuana - terpenes, the compounds responsible for the taste and smell have a lot of sorta Pavlovian effects on the overall feel of a given strain or extraction. Removing too many can leave the properties a bit 'one sided', though it does result in clearance sales on hash oil. 
Also, I really wouldn't say it makes me more social, more often than not marijuana' just a ritual that goes with homework or nature for me.
@nurseangela: please just look up cannabidiol. If you tried a good extraction of that, you probably would ONLY experience the physiological/relaxant effects and little to none of the high you view as so dangerous.
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-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
20 Sep 2015, 6:48 pm
20 Sep 2015, 7:01 pm
20 Sep 2015, 7:21 pm
The benefits for me are vastly improved quality of sleep and thus enough energy for work and exercise. Without it my sleep paralysis sporadically returns which is NOT fun.
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"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
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