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29 Aug 2010, 2:20 am

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If saying hi to someone makes them feel sexually uncomfortable then they think too highly of themselves.

I feel sorry for men who don't actually do anything out of the ordainary and get slammed as a "sexual harasser" because the woman thinks shes gods gift to men and every man wants a piece of her.


Yeah, there's manipulative b*****s out there that throw around the term 'sexual harassment' in order to get their way or to get rid of someone they don't like for any reason.

The problem is figuring out when that is the case. The manipulative false accusers bank on the fact that nearly all the time people believe someone who accuses someone else of sexual harassment, plus the fact that practically zero investigation gets done and the other person is tried, convicted, and sentenced all at once.



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29 Aug 2010, 5:13 am

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My aspie son (16) made the mistake of smiling at the girlfriend of a football player. Then he stared at her in class (never mind that she sat in front of him). Finally, he said, "Hi," when she was coming out a door he was heading in. She filed a sexual harassment complaint against him, and he was sent to the school for troublemakers. The school's sexual harassment policy only required that a student make another student "sexually uncomfortable" on three occasions. Her football player buddies all backed her up. Of course, it helped a WHOLE lot that the Vice Principal, who was in charge of discipline, was also the head football coach. Now THERE was a fair process. </sarcasm>

Before dumping on people for sexual harassment, understand that can mean a wide range of things, some of which don't even make sense.

well, it may have been an unfair accusation. it's hard to say, as the information is thirdhand. did you appeal?

Yes. They investigated themselves and found that they had done nothing wrong. The policy was valid, the grievance process was followed, and the committee vote was valid. Besides, the law states that the principal has final authority, and could send him there for any reason. That means that even if we won (which we didn't), the principal could - and would - send him there anyway.


What a pile of nonsense !

1. The idea of "Sexually uncomfortable" is too poorly defined. If saying "Hi" to someone you meet makes them feel sexually uncomfortable then I am sure that by midweek almost all the team I work with will have sexually harassed each other.

2. You should consult a lawyer, or at least read the law in your state regarding expulsion from school. The principal had a strong conflict of interest. I hold a view that he should have not touched the case. If you get a real pitbull of a lawyer you could get him to have a go at ripping the principal up on the stand.

I do not know what state you are in and I only know UK law on school expulsion so I an not give perfect advice, but as expulsion and other school matters are regulated by state law then you might be able to bring a court case in a real court with lawyers and a judge. You could argue that if the school is allowed to have final say on the matter that your son's case is a modern day version of the case of "George Archer-Shee". The reason I cite this case is that it was one all about the lack of due process in the UK independant state.

I would be interested to know how case law works in your state but I know that a UK court can use the legal reasoning from a foreign court if the legal reasoning appeared to be sound.

I would contact the ACLU as it is possible that your son's civil rights may have been infringed, I suspect that the school would recoil in horror if they had the ACLU on their case.

The ACLU said the schools do this sort of thing all the time, but it's legal. The only way to do something about it would be to challenge the policy as unfairly broad (which it is) in Federal court, which would take a pile of money that I don't have (the ACLU can't take the case because it's not clear-cut or something like that) and anywhere from two to five years. And technically, he was not expelled, but his placement was changed. Also, the courts give the schools wide autonomy in this state. So, yet again, the b@stards get away with it.

On the other subject, I used to be an honest, rule-following bloke who believed in being an upstanding citizen, but after forty years of being farked over by upstanding members of the community in positions of power, I learned that the reason they promote good citizenship and rule-following is because people that play by the rules are easier to take advantage of. When I was a homeless youngster, I shoplifted something. Caught, I pled guilty (because I was, well, guilty) - and was lucky to survive the one year prison time. Unless you've done time, you have no idea how bad it can be for an Aspie to be confined with the most vicious, manipulative NTs (mostly) that there are. If something like that were to happen again, guilty or not, I'd do just about anything necessary to not get sent back, INCLUDING blaming AS or the hole in the ozone layer. Hate me if you want for that, but that's survival.



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29 Aug 2010, 5:22 am

aspergers is no exuse for sexual harrasment, end of



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29 Aug 2010, 7:35 am

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Unless you've done time, you have no idea how bad it can be for an Aspie to be confined with the most vicious, manipulative NTs (mostly) that there are. If something like that were to happen again, guilty or not, I'd do just about anything necessary to not get sent back, INCLUDING blaming AS or the hole in the ozone layer. Hate me if you want for that, but that's survival.


I don't give a rats arse whether the pedo is aspie or not. They deserve jail. Im not saying "poor baby aspie can't cope with jail" Maybe he should have thought of that before getting into child porn.



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29 Aug 2010, 8:32 am

As far as blaming AS for perversion...most aspies I know cant even ask for a date, let alone harrass someone. sexual devientcy is not an aspie trait...although one may claim it is a "special interest", but even that is splitting hairs.

As far as that cheerleader goes..I know the type...a kid like your son who is probably not very popular flirts with her...she gets him out of her hair by squealing sexual harrasment, but if the head of the football team slaps her on the butt, she probably go home with him. People like that sicken me. I hate it that your son was punished for that...but that is the world we live in now. I suggest homeschooling him because those alternative schools are chok full of kids who have moral issues and will use him as a punching bag verbal or physically.
unfortunately, this experience will probably traumatize him from showing interest with anyone else for quite a while. I suggest that you send him to see a private therapist, so this wont effect him negitively in the long run.
As far as justice goes, you might be able to prove that alternative school is not a suitable place for an AS kid with a psychologist who specializes in Autism spectrum disorders. There is also a test that can be done to test for sexual preditors, I sure your son will not flunk that one, but it will be a great test to have as documentation to prove that he is no pervert. Once you get these things , you might A) be able to take them to court. or B) have the school pay for a tutor to home school him. or C) both

You are probably better off just home schooling him and not fighting them because you can be blacklisted by the school...and I know this because it happened to my mom. check out www.gangstalkingworld.com before deciding to take them to court.
gang stalking is a form of organized group stalking and whistleblowers, advovates and just ppl defending their kids against a corrupt school system get put on a stalking list and they are stalked horribly for years. They run the schools like the mafia your son is better being taught at home where you can control his education. The education system is very abusive to AS kids because they are into educating the masses not the individual at its best...at its worst the educational system practices social darwinism.


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29 Aug 2010, 11:01 am

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My aspie son (16) made the mistake of smiling at the girlfriend of a football player. Then he stared at her in class (never mind that she sat in front of him). Finally, he said, "Hi," when she was coming out a door he was heading in. She filed a sexual harassment complaint against him, and he was sent to the school for troublemakers. The school's sexual harassment policy only required that a student make another student "sexually uncomfortable" on three occasions. Her football player buddies all backed her up. Of course, it helped a WHOLE lot that the Vice Principal, who was in charge of discipline, was also the head football coach. Now THERE was a fair process. </sarcasm>

Before dumping on people for sexual harassment, understand that can mean a wide range of things, some of which don't even make sense.

well, it may have been an unfair accusation. it's hard to say, as the information is thirdhand. did you appeal?

Yes. They investigated themselves and found that they had done nothing wrong. The policy was valid, the grievance process was followed, and the committee vote was valid. Besides, the law states that the principal has final authority, and could send him there for any reason. That means that even if we won (which we didn't), the principal could - and would - send him there anyway.


What a pile of nonsense !

1. The idea of "Sexually uncomfortable" is too poorly defined. If saying "Hi" to someone you meet makes them feel sexually uncomfortable then I am sure that by midweek almost all the team I work with will have sexually harassed each other.

2. You should consult a lawyer, or at least read the law in your state regarding expulsion from school. The principal had a strong conflict of interest. I hold a view that he should have not touched the case. If you get a real pitbull of a lawyer you could get him to have a go at ripping the principal up on the stand.

I do not know what state you are in and I only know UK law on school expulsion so I an not give perfect advice, but as expulsion and other school matters are regulated by state law then you might be able to bring a court case in a real court with lawyers and a judge. You could argue that if the school is allowed to have final say on the matter that your son's case is a modern day version of the case of "George Archer-Shee". The reason I cite this case is that it was one all about the lack of due process in the UK independant state.

I would be interested to know how case law works in your state but I know that a UK court can use the legal reasoning from a foreign court if the legal reasoning appeared to be sound.

I would contact the ACLU as it is possible that your son's civil rights may have been infringed, I suspect that the school would recoil in horror if they had the ACLU on their case.

The ACLU said the schools do this sort of thing all the time, but it's legal. The only way to do something about it would be to challenge the policy as unfairly broad (which it is) in Federal court, which would take a pile of money that I don't have (the ACLU can't take the case because it's not clear-cut or something like that) and anywhere from two to five years. And technically, he was not expelled, but his placement was changed. Also, the courts give the schools wide autonomy in this state. So, yet again, the b@stards get away with it.

On the other subject, I used to be an honest, rule-following bloke who believed in being an upstanding citizen, but after forty years of being farked over by upstanding members of the community in positions of power, I learned that the reason they promote good citizenship and rule-following is because people that play by the rules are easier to take advantage of. When I was a homeless youngster, I shoplifted something. Caught, I pled guilty (because I was, well, guilty) - and was lucky to survive the one year prison time. Unless you've done time, you have no idea how bad it can be for an Aspie to be confined with the most vicious, manipulative NTs (mostly) that there are. If something like that were to happen again, guilty or not, I'd do just about anything necessary to not get sent back, INCLUDING blaming AS or the hole in the ozone layer. Hate me if you want for that, but that's survival.

you just lost all credibility with me. if you would do anything to avoid prison, that would probably include lying in court. how could i trust what you say on WrongPlanet? and... why wouldn't you lie for your child as well? i'm sure it doesn't matter to you, but i don't respect that at all.


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29 Aug 2010, 11:07 am

ive had more oportunities for doing something very stupid and most of the time illegal than having fun legally. Yet ive done neither.



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29 Aug 2010, 11:15 am

Males are physical bullies, females use slander.

With one quarter of girls reporting sexual abuse, there are not enough aspies to go around.

0.5% of the population cannot take credit for much.

What we know is, most sexual abuse happens at home, and involves close relatives.

Almost all child pornography is produced by the parents. It takes a degree of training, and is nothing you can just pick up a three year old and have them perform before camera, in a hour or two.

Camera, lights, processing, and a group of young actors, take a group effort. This film is not sent to the drugstore for processing. Even the professional producers cannot supply the actors, that takes parents that can bring in trained performers. No one else has the access and social control.

Production and distrabution takes a very tight social network. Most of what was on the internet was just an ad for the real product, a few stills, a clip, from the feature length production. The whole product was expensive, and the point being building a customer list for the hard core stuff. At $125 a tape, a few thousand sold adds up.

So someone who collects the free ads, then takes their laptop to the shop, is dumb, and should go to jail. They are not the source, or the income producing part.

So with one in four girls reporting having sex of some kind with an adult, and one in seven saying it was Daddy, based on studies over the last 60 years, Kinsey, Masters and Johnson, I think we can rule out aspies.

It also seems that some people need a scapegoat, real bad, and and women claiming sexual harassment, are bringing sexual attention to themselves. The goal seems to be getting rid of people they would not have sex with, the aspie, and replacing them with an office boy who does supply room duty. Security cameras have discovered a secret life at work.

I would say aspie men are clueless, easy marks, first choice to falsely blame, because they are socially defenseless.

As for people who claim Asperger's as a defense, it has never worked yet. Of the cases I have followed, 100% conviction rate. I think the kiddieporn guy is running an aspie group as community service, from his home.

I run site selection for business, I check on sex offenders. In most places, convicted of rape, in some places 5% of the town, sex with minors, and not one of them a parent. Babysitter, neighbor, teacher, preacher, but no parents. There are some huge lists on the internet, teachers, preachers, elected officials, all convicted of sex with minors. The children learned this somewhere, and the charges were brought by parents. I never saw anyone convicted of incest.

Child abuse claims have become standard in divorce actions.

Blaming strangers has a long history, a black man jumped out of the bushes and he had a knife. it is all the fault of kiddie porn, aspies look guilty, they do not make eye contact.

Science, research, and business, tell us that 90+% of child sexual abuse, and the making of kiddie porn, is a family affair. Most of the rest is close, extended family, babysitter, teacher, preacher, the Mayor, true stranger cases are rare, and mostly involve kidnapping and murder.

Aspie men miss it when women hit on them, they are clueless when trying to express feeling and emotions. There is a support group for women who married them. They claim they are incapable of connecting emotionally with others.

I find this to be true, and while there are some teen boys on WP, they are behaving like teen boys, and are not type cases for autism. Aspie men are socially and sexually reserved, so says the DSM and all other reports.

I would say that almost all of the sexual threads on WP were started and supported by females.

I would say it is sexual misbehavior for females to come here and post such things, if you have an actual complaint of sexual misbehavior, report it to a mod.

These blanket charges are nothing but slander directed at people known for lacking social defenses.

Females bully by sex claims and defamation of character.



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29 Aug 2010, 11:36 am

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I would say that almost all of the sexual threads on WP were started and supported by females.

ummmm. no. try searching blow-up dolls, hookers, prostitution, get laid, sexual needs, PUA, and other phrases. i think you are doing some selective reading because most of the threads of a sexual nature on WP are started by men.

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I find this to be true, and while there are some teen boys on WP, they are behaving like teen boys, and are not type cases for autism. Aspie men are socially and sexually reserved, so says the DSM and all other reports.

the DSM-IV does not address the sexuality of people with asperger syndrome in any way. i would say that a person with asperger syndrome is equally as likely as any NT to be involved in sexual misconduct of some kind. aspies are not immune due to poor social skills.

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These blanket charges are nothing but slander directed at people known for lacking social defenses.

the blanket charges may be slander, but assuming that women are laying false charges is also slanderous. if you do not personally witness the situation, you really cannot judge.

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Males are physical bullies, females use slander.

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Females bully by sex claims and defamation of character.

okay, so please explain how it is that... a man at my workplace is spreading gossip to try to get another man in trouble? he is spreading potentially falsified sexual harassment reports, which he heard secondhand, to other employees to try to get an individual in trouble. he is not talking to team leaders or using appropriate channels - he is trying to socially destroy another man.

also, please explain how it is that i have been physically bullied by other women as a teenager, if that is not how women do their bullying?

it is neither accurate nor fair to make blanket generalizations.


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29 Aug 2010, 11:44 am

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i was reading a lot of threads recently and i was alarmed at the amount of sexual harassment i read about. are most aspie men really that clueless about sexual etiquette? and hearing about how no one wants to take responsibility is even more upsetting. i just want to know the general view on this as i am appalled... and saddened :cry:


I was reading threads recently and was alarmed by the amount of sexual slander toward aspie men, propagated by aspie women
Are aspie women really that disliking of aspie men? and hearing how aspie women become inflamed when criticised for haranguing aspie males, just is appalling :(

If aspie males are so bad, start spending time with NT males and see where that gets you.....



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i was reading a lot of threads recently and i was alarmed at the amount of sexual harassment i read about. are most aspie men really that clueless about sexual etiquette? and hearing about how no one wants to take responsibility is even more upsetting. i just want to know the general view on this as i am appalled... and saddened :cry:


I was reading threads recently and was alarmed by the amount of sexual slander toward aspie men, propagated by aspie women
Are aspie women really that disliking of aspie men? and hearing how aspie women become inflamed when criticised for haranguing aspie males, just is appalling :(

If aspie males are so bad, start spending time with NT males and see where that gets you.....lol



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29 Aug 2010, 12:23 pm

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The ACLU said the schools do this sort of thing all the time, but it's legal. The only way to do something about it would be to challenge the policy as unfairly broad (which it is) in Federal court, which would take a pile of money that I don't have (the ACLU can't take the case because it's not clear-cut or something like that) and anywhere from two to five years. And technically, he was not expelled, but his placement was changed. Also, the courts give the schools wide autonomy in this state. So, yet again, the b@stards get away with it.


Pity I was hoping that the ACLU might have been able to help you out, it does seem as if the school have violated some of his constitutional rights. Maybe what you need is a change towards the UK system when it comes to expulsion from school. What troubles me most is that a person who has a clear conflict of interest did not excuse himself from the case.

I have been judged as being legally competent to sit in judgement on school exclusion cases. I was told firmly that if I have any conflict of interest, eg if little Johnny tore up my vegetable patch six months ago to declare it and ask to be taken off the case.


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29 Aug 2010, 12:28 pm

All i can say is get a bunch of other kids to make false allegations towards that girl and her football friends. If enough people vote so something will be done. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, but alteast they'll know not to do stupid s**t again.



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29 Aug 2010, 12:30 pm

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i was reading a lot of threads recently and i was alarmed at the amount of sexual harassment i read about. are most aspie men really that clueless about sexual etiquette? and hearing about how no one wants to take responsibility is even more upsetting. i just want to know the general view on this as i am appalled... and saddened :cry:


I was reading threads recently and was alarmed by the amount of sexual slander toward aspie men, propagated by aspie women
Are aspie women really that disliking of aspie men? and hearing how aspie women become inflamed when criticised for haranguing aspie males, just is appalling :(

If aspie males are so bad, start spending time with NT males and see where that gets you.....lol
well, i only ever dated NT men, and i later married one.

i haven't seen any threads where women are pttuing forth sexual slander. even this thread is asking a question - not making accusations. if they are truly being slanderous, would they be banned or something?

many (perhaps most?) of the men on the WP boards are openminded, kind and easygoing. but some of the more vocal and prolific posters are frankly misogynistic. this could give a negative impression of aspie men in general, if a person did not dig deeper for the gems.

but one thing i've noticed is that in threads about what type of women that aspie men want to meet, many times their specifications are either peculiarly specific or of a higher standard than 99.99% of the female population. if i were single and hoping to get an idea of what aspie men are like from their posts on WP, i would be frankly discouraged.

i don't think aspie women hate aspie men in general, but i am starting to think that many of the more extreme attitudes shown by *some* men on WP can definitely lead *some* aspie women to think that aspie men are not dating material. it is heartening when the nicer and kinder apie men step into the rancorous threads, as they indicate that many aspie men are not misogynistic. the great men do exist here, but they are not as loud.


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All i can say is get a bunch of other kids to make false allegations towards that girl and her football friends. If enough people vote so something will be done. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind, but alteast they'll know not to do stupid sh** again.
that is a rotten suggestion, and it assumes the allegations were false to begin with. we only know the story from the perspective of a parent of the victim, who clearly also has a stake in this matter - its not exactly impartial information.

i am so sick of people relating tales of supposedly 'false' allegations, which we can neither confirm nor deny with outside evidence. why do people assume that we have heard the whole story? i have no idea either way as to what really happened, and neither do you, so suggesting that revenge be taken against the female is making a judgement on a situation that you don't have enough facts about to really make any conclusions.

if the female were to relate her side of the story, we could a least weigh the credibility of each side and make our own judgements. but convicting a girl of false allegations 'in absentia' is sick.


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Convicting a girl of false allegations 'in absentia' is sick.


Not so. They also convict murderers and gangsters 'in absentia' too.