Asperger's and lying ...
I think an aspie can lie, and it seems to be a bit of concern on some parent forums regarding asperger's, where they are becoming more concerned with their aspie teens lying straight to their faces. I think an aspie can lie better than an NT because of the lack of emotion, thus coming off straight-faced. On the other hand, I don't think an aspie can effectively manipulate someone with a lie for a very long period of time, for that requires far more advanced social skills.
I can lie myself, but was never really good at it. I ended up getting caught quite often, and my parents, mostly my mother, has always said that she can tell when I lie by emotional expressions. I tend to laugh on doing so, as if I want to get caught, but I have usually only lied when wanting things to be a bit more joyous around me. I sometimes feel uneasy in situations where people tend to appear to be more agitated or concerned. So, I sort of lied and then laughed, and the lies were usually bizarre anyway. It's just that I did it enough in school for people to start talking to me about crying wolf. I was sort of known for telling outrageous stories.
- Ray M -
for me personally, im a outstanding lier, manly because i rarely lie, i only lie to get my self or some one else out of trouble, being considered a honest person is the greatest tool for a lier.
im also a entp, which is aka the lawyer type :P
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I constantly got accused of lying when I was a kid, even though I was telling the truth. The way I was brought up, if you could not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you were telling the truth, it counted the same as lying. This came back to cause tons of problems as an adult, even today. I've lost jobs; been confronted by a crazed, overzealous police detective; and generally gotten a lot of people mad at me. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've told the truth but felt like I was lying, and I'm sure the NTs all read my body language as that of a liar.
One way to send me dangerously close to an instant meltdown is merely to accuse me of doing something I didn't do. I immediately feel guilty even though I'm innocent, and I start nervously fidgeting, decreasing the amount of eye contact, stammering, and showing other behaviors that I believe most people associate with someone who is lying.
Anything even remotely resembling a cross-examination sends me over the edge as well.
The irony of it is, I am one of those people who tells the truth in such detail that I end up screwing myself over by giving out too much information and therefore giving my opposition too much ammo to work with.
my ex best friend /ex occasional friend with benefits (male aspie) lies to me all the time.
he lies about his whereabouts, lies about his activities, lies about staying in school (after he dropped out),lies about love, lies about sexual desire, lies about previous lies, lies about lying. it's all bad here for me as a person who cares for him. i'm not contacting him at all right now. see if he notices.
he lies about his whereabouts, lies about his activities, lies about staying in school (after he dropped out),lies about love, lies about sexual desire, lies about previous lies, lies about lying. it's all bad here for me as a person who cares for him. i'm not contacting him at all right now. see if he notices.
stop being dumb O.o. you bin complaining about the same guy in almost every single post you have made in these forums. if this guy got so under your skin that every thing that you think about is how hes pissing you off, i think its time you got over your self and say f**k him. (not in that way) my advice for you, cut him off if he troubles you so much, ether that or your trolling.
but ya in closing, some guy you use to love, is now a guy you cant stand, stop dealing with him, ignore him find new friends / love interest and move on.
p.s. sorry for my harshness, but if you going to necro a year old thread long forgotten to use as a platform to tell the world how your ex bf sucks, you needed it bluntly :P
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AKindOfJareth
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I'm very opposed to lying myself. I can do it but i hate it. To me people just don't warrant lowering myself like that. Better I give them the truth even if it embarrasses me. I'll sleep better.
There was a time when I was younger that I would lie to preserve my public image. Don't care much about that today.
I do not like to lie at all and I find it reprehensible. I find omissions of facts to be lies as well.
That said, I certainly CAN lie and pull the wool over peoples' eyes easily. But I choose not to.
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That said, I certainly CAN lie and pull the wool over peoples' eyes easily. But I choose not to.
I also consider omissions of fact to be a lie. Unfortunately the internet/world is full to the brim with people who consider reciting one side of a case, while ignoring inconvenient information, to be a complete examination of the issue. To me that's a form of evil.
I can lie very well should I need to. I prefer not to. But I will do it if it's not something important and it would hurt someone I care about to say the truth (hurting their feelings counts as well).
NTs don't ask you "Do you like my new boots?" for an honest answer. They ask it for validation that what they've chosen is good. They think it's good, that's why they got it in the first place. It doesn't really mean "what do you think of my boots?" translated to our language, it means something more like "I'm happy about this purchase, will you share in my happiness? That would increase my happiness by making me feel you care". I may not share their taste, I may think they're hideous, but a kind lie of "Yes. They're so you, they'll go great with your coat." spares their feelings. It lets them feel good about something they want to feel good about and doesn't really cost anything.
Conversely telling the truth that I think those boots are hideous will only cause conflict, they'd feel hurt because it was something they liked. They would perceive it as me saying they have terrible taste. They may have terrible taste, but sometimes just letting things like that slide and lying is how shall I put it, oiling the social machine to make it run a bit smoother (too much oiling the social machine and those same lies will mess up the incomprehensible clockwork). I think if I went the path of strict honesty I'd fast run out of people willing to even acknowledge my presence, let alone anything more.
I learnt to be less honest when people asked for compliments. I remember for awhile I kept saying 'I don't know' when asked how an outfit looked on someone. That was the truth. I didn't know anything about the fashion at the time.
I hate lying. Sometimes I do it to avoid a confrontation but I just feel so wrong. My compliments are nothing but 'good' or 'nice' or 'cool'.
I don't get how omitting something could be a lie. A lie isn't telling the truth not hiding a fact. What if you forget about the information and leave it out? How's that different from omitting the truth? All these silly rules that we must somehow just know...
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