Is bullying people who are different right or wrong?

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03 Oct 2011, 5:15 am

I am not a troll,answer seriously please.Thanks.



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03 Oct 2011, 5:40 am

Considering that severe bullying can lead the weaker of fortitude to commit suicide, I'd say that it's pretty damn wrong.



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03 Oct 2011, 5:54 am

Bullying is usually about picking on someone who is different. It is always wrong.


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03 Oct 2011, 6:02 am

A counter question would be:

Is it better if everybody is alike?



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03 Oct 2011, 6:02 am

I'd be interested to see a reason why one could say it is right - of course it's wrong


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03 Oct 2011, 6:06 am

Then why bullies bully?



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03 Oct 2011, 6:27 am

It's wrong for people to bully people who are different. I almost committed suicide in high school, because I was bullied and picked on, just because I was different. Didn't you ask a similar question before? Bullies bully because they're a bunch of intolerant douche bags.


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03 Oct 2011, 6:29 am

JohnyJohn wrote:
Then why bullies bully?


Note that bullying usually occurs in very artificial environments, specially school; it is "natural" that someone, in an environment that has nothing to do with our natural inclinations, will have dysfunctional behaviors (another exemple - the strange behaviors that some wild animals have when caged).

In an "natural" environment, people will naturally interact around shared interests and activities; but, when you force people to socialize with each other and don't even allow them to choose their activities, obviously that this will not work.

Probably some people will answer you things like "bullies bully because they have low self-esteem" or "bullies bully because they were bullied themselfs", but i think that these explanations were nonsense.

Note: some definitions of bullying also includ "being excluded" as "bullying"; i don't agree - being "excluded" (and self-exclusion) by people who have different interests is not "bullying", it is the natural order of things (about what you will talk with a person who is not interested in the things you are interested?) - "bullying" is what occur when people are not allowed to simply "exclude" the people whom they not share interests.



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03 Oct 2011, 6:45 am

You're causing me a lot of flashbacks. Please quit it with the bullying threads.


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03 Oct 2011, 7:50 am

(What is right and wrong?)

Even if "right" were "survival of the fittest", bullying would usually be wrong because almost all bullies are far from the fittest and a fair amount of them can't survive without sustained support from others.

Without their parents, friends or romantic partners they too struggle which is alternatively illogical or pathetic (or both) if they pick on someone else claiming that someone is less independent and/or more disabled than them. But then, people tend to be illogical creatures who like to choose what's easiest for them instead of living up to themselves.

Bullying certainly is easier than being supportive. To offer support one got to be strong to help carry the burden of others' problems without going down from too much weight.

So I'd think that if a person's preferring an "easy" way out and being "weak" is the right thing, then bullying is right too.


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03 Oct 2011, 8:06 am

The problem with bullying is that you are making yourself look better, not by actually changing something that needs to be changed, but by pointing out someone else's faults or issues. On that basis alone, bullying is wrong because it is not helpful but hurtful. This has nothing to do with whether everyone is the same or not.



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03 Oct 2011, 8:23 am

I am asking about bullying difference people e.g.with disorders,disabled,minorities...I also ask about bullying that comes from people that are in their 30's and 40's mostly,not teens or kids.



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03 Oct 2011, 8:41 am

JohnyJohn wrote:
Then why bullies bully?


Maybe they are unhappy with having small penises?

I agree with demeus that bullies bully to show other people that they are better than the person they bully, along with receiving the feeling of being superior. Its a strange consept because they may not be better, its only in their heads.

We all know that we have different abilities in different things, and therefore a bully will lose in reference to the things he/she is not good at. Pointing out being better is (not only) therefore wrong.

Bullies bully to be liked by others and I think it is animalistic because using cruelty to be liked is the same as showing the surroundings how dangerous they are, and among animals the most dangerous wins.



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03 Oct 2011, 8:45 am

The thing is most people are not being bullied.Only some unfortunate ones,a small minority.Even if the majority are bullies-i don't know-only a minority is being bullied.



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03 Oct 2011, 8:46 am

JohnyJohn wrote:
Then why bullies bully?


They are the self-appointed police of a group's social norms. They bully to get the people showing difference to either stop showing that difference (if they can) or get out of the group (if they can't). The catch is that the bully's victims often can't get out of the group. They are stuck there because that is the school they were assigned to or the town they were born in or whatever. But the minute they can, they leave that group and find one whose social norms they fit with.



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03 Oct 2011, 8:47 am

TwistedReflection wrote:
Considering that severe bullying can lead the weaker of fortitude to commit suicide, I'd say that it's pretty damn wrong.


BS. Yes, it can provoke some people to suicide, but it has nothing to do with "fortitude" or whatever and everything to do with their mental health - which can and often will be adversely affected by bullying.

Speaking from experience, it takes a serious effort of will to take that step and make an attempt. It's very very easy to back out of it or look for help once you've started. People who attempt suicide or even complete are not "weak." But they do (or at least did) need help. I'm not saying it's a good choice. It's just not an easy one.