How come people with Aspergers can't work ?
No just extroverts are not open to difference, not all but a lot. Because of they ignorance & would you rather have someone who cared or someone who was after making money. As a boss.
I have also noticed that here, with some of you. But I know how you make a liar confess by making them think they have an illness. Until they confess & you turn up the heat of the room. While they say "It's hot in here, isn't it?". You reply "No it's cold in here".
Have you never heard of mind games? Only works if you don't question what they telling you, or know they full of it.
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I'd like to know why Americans are so obsessed about being able to "work." Having a job or not doesn't make you more or less of a worthwhile human.
I don't think it makes you any less worthwhile. However for many people not working will mean ending up homeless and if you can find someone to support you (parent/spouse/government) some people think you are a mooch for not supporting yourself.
I'd like to know why Americans are so obsessed about being able to "work." Having a job or not doesn't make you more or less of a worthwhile human.
In America job work you probably does not make sense, anyways I agree.
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On a serious note, I suspect it derives from our Puritanical roots where "hard work" was the path to eternal salvation.
I believe in having a work ethic, but the American notion that we should be happy to work ourselves to death is ridiculous. Life is short and I don't intent to spend my time on Earth in a crappy job I can't stand, doing things I hate, for the benefit of people who hate me. Furthermore, I refuse to judge another person's worth as a human being based on whether or not they're employed.
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I'd like to know why Americans are so obsessed about being able to "work." Having a job or not doesn't make you more or less of a worthwhile human.
I don't think it makes you any less worthwhile. However for many people not working will mean ending up homeless and if you can find someone to support you (parent/spouse/government) some people think you are a mooch for not supporting yourself.
"Work" can take many forms, not just the kind that generates cash money to buy "toys."
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I'd like to know why Americans are so obsessed about being able to "work." Having a job or not doesn't make you more or less of a worthwhile human.
I don't think it makes you any less worthwhile. However for many people not working will mean ending up homeless and if you can find someone to support you (parent/spouse/government) some people think you are a mooch for not supporting yourself.
"Work" can take many forms, not just the kind that generates cash money to buy "toys."
I just did some work...yard work type, no pay or anything but I wasn't doing anything else so whatever.
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I get seriously depressed when I have nothing productive to do. Wanting to work and not being given a chance can be devastating. When I was a teen I knocked on every door within a mile radius and asked them if they needed their car washed, there must have been 150 houses I went to. EVERY ONE of them rejected, even the ones with the obviously dirty cars. Funny strange how I just paralleled that to online dating
I'm hoping to start my Bachelor in the Fall and look for a job over the summer. Something local I can get to by bus. The reason I haven't looked alot just a few places in the span of a few years is I'm scared. I had a job at Mcdonald's once and hated it! I had to clean the bathrooms and trays and HATED the work. Personally on a basic level I could see myself bagging groceries perhaps. Then perhaps with my Bachelor and perhaps going for my Masters get a job in the Criminal Justice field. What I'm not for certain yet.
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we tend to not interview well. I was pondering Temple Grandin's statements about using her portfolio to sell the work instead of herself, when I realized that my last IT position was gained by my having an overwhelming number of certifications. They have since lapsed, but re-doing them should encourage someone to take a chance on me again.
It would indeed be far easier if NT's would be more understanding.
I might suggest dual-track. Look for okay to good job now as you continue to update certificates.
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we tend to not interview well. I was pondering Temple Grandin's statements about using her portfolio to sell the work instead of herself, when I realized that my last IT position was gained by my having an overwhelming number of certifications. They have since lapsed, but re-doing them should encourage someone to take a chance on me again.
It would indeed be far easier if NT's would be more understanding.
I might suggest dual-track. Look for okay to good job now as you continue to update certificates.
That's pretty much what I am doing. It's only been 3 months so far.
I think it's due to the wealthy classes having a disproportionate effect on political discourse in the USA. So, we end up with stuff that demonizes the lower classes and unemployed. I.e. "People on unemployment [payments] just don't want to work. They sit at home all day doing drugs that they bought with their govt money! So, we must cut unemployment payments!!1!"
In Florida the governor passed a law that all people on welfare be drug tested. After the tests were done the rate of drug use by people on welfare was found to be lower than in the general population. And then it came out that the governor was co-founder of the company that he had do all the drug tests. He made himself a lot of money by demonizing the poor that way.
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I studied C++ and Assembly Language in 1998 and 1999, taking a class each semester. In patricular, I felt I got very good at the C++. But. . .
1) we studied console not GUI,
2) places seem to want to hire generalists not specialists, and
3) initial screening is done by nontechnical 'HR' types who seemed to focus overwhelmingly on years of corporate experience (this one really frustrated me).
I would agree that one of the reasons Aspies have trouble finding work is because we suck at networking. It's not enough to be good at what you do, you have to know someone. I also interview very badly and every single time I've been successful finding work, it's because I've actually been able to show what I can do rather than talk about what I can do.
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One thing I have found is that I think a lot of the jobs that Aspies may have had in the past no longer exist. For example, Pittsburgh used to have steel mills that employed thousands of people and there were stories of steelworkers who had no social skills but with the high pay they could support families. You just don't need social skills to run a blast furnace. When we lost the steel industry in the 80s thousands of jobs were lost. It also created the problem where the places that provided work for unskilled people, for example, McDonalds now had people who had worked with a supervisor and had the skills to work, so McD did not have to hire people "off the street"
Many of the job opportunities now are in retail and in fields like nursing -- trust me, people like us, Nursing is NOT a career option!. In fact, I would say stay away from health care but that is a field that is booming.
I have also found that when someone like us is hired right away they want to fire us. Once I worked at a department store as a janitor but I was uncomfortable around the loss prevention manager. As soon as he found out, he and his people started following me around, thinking I might be stealing, making me nervous. I never stole a thing but ended up quitting because I was uncomfortable. My supervisor, who liked me, was afraid of him too and never stood up for me.
I spoke to the store manager later but all he did was talk down to me. Turns out that people in retail management think that customers (which we were before I worked there) are the enemy.
I have also found that though we may be honest, nobody believes us.
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