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03 Aug 2012, 4:03 pm

I am just curious about the case as well.



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08 Aug 2012, 1:52 am

James Holmes' Psychiatrist Contacted University Police Weeks Before Movie-Theater Shooting(ABC)

Fenton would have had to have serious concerns to break confidentiality with her patient to reach out to the police officer or others, the sources said. Under Colorado law, a psychiatrist can legally breach a pledge of confidentiality with a patient if he or she becomes aware of a serious and imminent threat that their patient might cause harm to others. Psychiatrists can also breach confidentiality if a court has ordered them to do so.The statement went on to say that police involvement with threat assessment "could include security matters, badge access, background checks, wellness checks, criminal investigations and referrals and outreach to other law enforcement agencies." [quote]


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09 Aug 2012, 6:01 pm

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Accused Colorado shooter James Holmes, charged with murder over a shooting rampage last month at a movie theater in a Denver suburb, has a "mental illness" and tried to get help before the shooting, his defense attorney said in court on Thursday.
During the hearing, Holmes' public defender, Daniel King, repeatedly made references to his client's unspecified mental illness.

"He tried to get help with his mental illness," King said of his client, who appeared in court wearing maroon prison garb and shackled at his hands and ankles, with his dyed hair fading to pink in some places from its original reddish-orange.

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22 Oct 2012, 4:55 pm

Now that there's a little bit more information out. What do you think about this?


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22 Oct 2012, 5:14 pm

No, there's a whole boatload of crazy in there, things we can't relate to. Most Aspies/Autistics have no interest in harming anyone ever, and are way too much into their interests to be even theoretically bothered by it.



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22 Oct 2012, 5:26 pm

I kind of feel like there was more to this story than the media let on...I mean how did the guy order all that advanced equipment to create complex bombs in his apartment. Where would a medical school student afford all that for one and how would they know how to work it. I feel something odd is gong on with that whole thing. Things just don't seem to add up.


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22 Oct 2012, 8:31 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
I kind of feel like there was more to this story than the media let on...I mean how did the guy order all that advanced equipment to create complex bombs in his apartment. Where would a medical school student afford all that for one and how would they know how to work it. I feel something odd is gong on with that whole thing. Things just don't seem to add up.


It's a government black op. It's quite simple. MKULTRA...



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23 Oct 2012, 3:14 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
I kind of feel like there was more to this story than the media let on...I mean how did the guy order all that advanced equipment to create complex bombs in his apartment. Where would a medical school student afford all that for one and how would they know how to work it. I feel something odd is gong on with that whole thing. Things just don't seem to add up.

Have you seen his scores and grades? He was/is highly intelligent at least in some form or another. I guess he's not intelligent in all areas but he did excel in natural sciences (besides other subjects,in practically everything he chose to do). It's entirely possible he set up those bombs himself. And if he'd already planned to end up in prison, he would have no concern on how to pay for some of the things he ordered. Besides, he ordered much more than he needed.


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02 Nov 2012, 4:59 am

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Hello everyone!

I know this might be a sensitive issue, but I just read that James Holmes was suspected to have Aspergers. Actually, I googled whether anyone has suspected that yet, because I thought he kind of looked like he might be on the spectrum. (Yes, there is no proof that one can "see" Aspergers in the face, but wel,l there are some similarities especially regarding the eyes in many of us, aren't they?)

Interesting enough, the description of him sounds suspicious. Brilliant mind, excellent grades in college, a loner, disconnected from society, not able to find a job despite his intellectual achievements, fascinated by comic book superheros, utter lack of empathy...

There are dangerous NTs and there are dangerous Aspies I guess. What do you think? Could Holmes be an Aspie and if so, do you think his actions will hurt the community?

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I believe his lack of empathy only arose due to being medicated and undergoing a sudden withdrawal from those medications which caused a severe discontinuation syndrome. Those with autism have an increased permeability of the blood brain barrier and therefore can experience adverse drug reactions and much more severe withdrawal symptoms. The point is his behaviour changed drastically from anxiety/depression to complete psychosis ONLY after being medicated and all evidence points to him suffering initial anxiety due to social difficulties which does lend itself to a diagnosis of higher functioning autism.



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02 Nov 2012, 5:09 am

[quote="JeremyNJ1984"]Apparently it has already made its way into the public discourse:


This is what annoys me - saying James has higher functioning autism should NOT equate to labelling those with autism as maniacs! The facts are that those with autism suffer from anxiety and the more intelligent ones tend to be misdiagnosed with an anxiety disorder rather than autism due to the fact they are more likely to self manage their condition, thereby making the condition less obvious for diagnosis. They are then medicated for the anxiety and due to the increased permeability of the blood brain barrier of those with autism, the medications have a much more potent/toxic effect and this usually results in an abrupt withdrawal which in turn results in much more severe withdrawal symptoms/discontinuation syndrome. So, people with autism are much more likely to be medicated with psychotropic drugs that are almost guaranteed to cause some form of mental breakdown. FACT. The sooner people get this phenomenon highlighted to medical practitioners and in the media the better!



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02 Nov 2012, 5:19 am

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I cannot for the life of me, understand why, whenever some nut job goes on a killing rampage, everyone, including many people here, immediately start saying he may be on the Autism spectrum. It does not automatically follow that a mass murderer is on the spectrum. It does a disservice, and an insult to us on the spectrum to automatically say all killers are on the spectrum.

From what I can tell by the news articles, the only thing that is clear to me is that James Holmes is psychotic in some way, not on the spectrum. Psychos do sometimes take to being loners, and do sometimes totally freak out after real or perceived setbacks in their lives. This does not mean they are on the spectrum. It does mean that they are having some kind of problems, but the Autism spectrum disorders are only one set of problems that can lead to acting out, and usually don't lead to mass murder. There are a number of other, more likely conditions that can lead to such violent behavior. Please stop lumping us with him until you have some REAL evidence to back it up!


James showed NO signs of psychosis prior to being medicated - he was medicated for ANXIETY, once those facts are acknowledged it is fairly easy to arrive at an accurate diagnosis. People who have autism have an increased permeability of the blood brain barrier - this means that psychotropic drugs have a much more potent effect, often leading to a sudden withdrawal from the medications which in turn results in much more severe withdrawal symptoms/discontinuation syndrome. James appears to suffer from higher functioning autism, this was misdiagnosed as an anxiety disorder, he was medicated, the medications led to a manic reaction that made James believe he must be suffering from dysphoric mania (which is a condition that massively worsens upon being medicated!) So - it is logical to assume that if James believed himself to have dysphoric mania he will have stopped taking the medications abrutly. The sudden withdrawal would have caused all the ensuing behaviours/mania. James is not schizophrenic - he has suffered a severe reaction to the medications - no psychiatrist worth their salt can make a diagnosis that ignores the part the medications have played in this tragedy



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02 Nov 2012, 5:32 am

Considering that his mother was a psychiatric nurse, it's not likely that an autism spectrum disorder would have gone undetected during Holmes youth. It is pretty obvious that he is a delusional individual, by any reasonable observation, regardless of what potential diagnosis may eventually be attached to those delusions.

It's not impossible that someone like him presenting the behavior he is currently presenting would have an autism spectrum disorder, as the ICD10 acknowledges that Aspergers is associated with psychotic breaks from reality in young adulthood, in some cases.

Regarding the comment about a psychiatric nurse being likely to diagnose autism - my brother spent TEN years medicated on anti-psychotics for a breakdown. The breakdown was brought on by withdrawal from EFFEXOR which he had been prescribed for anxiety/depression. When my brother withdrew from SSRI anti-psychotics he suffered all the same symptoms as James Holmes - even down to the 'wide eyed stare' and in addition he suffered seizures. The withdrawal symptoms lasted for almost two months. Once he was recovered he was diagnosed with higher functioning autism. In TEN YEARS the psychiatrists had failed to diagnose this condition despite my pleas for him to be tested as my youngest daughter had recently been diagnosed and upon educating myself about the condition I had realised that my brother had displayed obvious signs of autism since childhood! I have since discovered that those with autism have increased permeability of the blood brain barrier - meaning that psychotropic medications have a much more potent effect/toxicity and they suffer much more severe withdrawal symptoms, including psychosis, seizures etc!



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02 Nov 2012, 5:43 am

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Well that's a relief its not the people with aspergers you have to look out for, its those schizophrenics :roll:

I guess I am confused as to why everyone here gets all worked up about the possibility the guy had AS...because oh no people might think people with aspergers are all potential murderers. But if it gets shifted over to schizophrenia it's all good? I don't know that just seems to be the attitude I see.......'as long as he had schizophrenia and not AS then it's all good because people wont think badly of people with AS, they'll just think badly of people with schizophrenia.' Hopefully that is not how most here feel about it, and I am just getting the wrong impression.

Point being blaming it on any specific disorder is probably a bad idea.......if he does have a disorder then yes it could have been a factor, but its not like most people with schizophrenia are murderers anymore than most people with AS would be.


You are right - neither of these conditions are likely to cause the kind of aggression James displayed, THAT level of aggression is brought on by MEDICATIONS - people with autism have increased permeability of the blood brain barrier - leading to increased reactions to medication and symptoms of medication withdrawal. All the evidence points to James suffering HIGHER FUNCTIONING AUTISM (often misdiagnosed as an anxiety disorder because these people CAN make friends which flies in the face of the TYPICAL STEREOTYPE of an aspie/autism sufferer). James was medicated - a significant change in cognitive function occurs with the medication leading James to believe he has dysphoric mania (a condition worsened by medication) prompting James to withdraw suddenly from the meds which in turn causes severe discontinuation syndrome that can include ALL James behaviours. I have witnessed discontinuation syndrome in someone with autism and the case was almost identical except he also suffered seizures. The symptoms lasted almost two months.



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02 Nov 2012, 9:11 am

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You are right - neither of these conditions are likely to cause the kind of aggression James displayed, THAT level of aggression is brought on by MEDICATIONS - people with autism have increased permeability of the blood brain barrier - leading to increased reactions to medication and symptoms of medication withdrawal. All the evidence points to James suffering HIGHER FUNCTIONING AUTISM (often misdiagnosed as an anxiety disorder because these people CAN make friends which flies in the face of the TYPICAL STEREOTYPE of an aspie/autism sufferer). James was medicated - a significant change in cognitive function occurs with the medication leading James to believe he has dysphoric mania (a condition worsened by medication) prompting James to withdraw suddenly from the meds which in turn causes severe discontinuation syndrome that can include ALL James behaviours. I have witnessed discontinuation syndrome in someone with autism and the case was almost identical except he also suffered seizures. The symptoms lasted almost two months.


I'm assuming you are basing your theory on assumptions and personal experience? Or do you know for certain that James was being medicated for Anxiety?
I must say, I suspect that one factor could have been, that he was being medicated for something, stopped taking his medications and then something happened....it's very vague but you can't be that specific.

Do you have some more reasons for why you believe he was being medicated, medicated for depression or anxiety, and could have HFA?


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02 Nov 2012, 9:18 am

I think just as many NT's suffer drug injury. its very common.
But Jimmy had been planning a shooting for a while.... it wasnt just a bad day for him, but a premeditated months ahead crime
The Batman movie premier coincided with his final breakdown from medication drug injury, so that day became the moment, but the moment [was always?] coming for him, he planned the event
His profile pictures also make him look like a recreational drug user. So his mental state may also have been affected by weed or meth or coke....

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