The gulf between the conscious and sub/unconscious

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04 Jan 2014, 6:26 am

So how many of you have transferred conscious social realisations into your unconscious mind. This mainly relates to social functioning. Example: You learn that a certain type of behaviour provokes a certain reaction and some indeterminate time later are capable of perceiving that reaction.

The ability to generalise is at play here I suspect. One would have to be able to mentally construct a very broad set of rules to be able to apply the above understanding in multiple contexts.

The net result of doing the above would be an ability to take certain things "as given". That is you dont have to consciously process them and can instead rely on your previous experience. Of course this can also lead to minsunderstandings but the same process should also help to weed out these flaws. In other words trial and error


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04 Jan 2014, 8:40 am

mabye im too tired but I dont realy understand your question very well
but im going to add a reply anyway.
i m have ing a bit of trouble with my wording so Im just going to get it out there
just about every night of my life when I hop into bed I will lie there and my mind plays back a movie reel of the whole day and Im able to go over event's and ehh social intercourse (only word I could think of)
In great detail and come up with solutions and comebacks etc.
so theres my .2 cents.

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do you feel that your making the same misakes over and over again and not learning ?



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04 Jan 2014, 10:22 am

Ahh i'll try and rephrase: During social interactions ive heard aspies say they process things consciously. I tend to make "course corrections". That is i'll realise something is off and correct it. There's no inner dialogue really just a wordless understanding that x action could be perceived as odd and a subsequent correction. I tend to become quite distressed if I try and process conversations in real time. Its almost surreal.
Anyway what tends to happen is that things that ive learned are weird or innapropriate influence my behaviour without me needing to stand and think "right am I doing anything weird now. Hmmm oh hang on mum said that its wrong to do x. Am I doing X". This is happening but not on such an overt cognitive level.

Socialising is exhausting for me because im constantly making corrections and im constantly anxious due to worries that I might be perceived as odd. Consequently im extremely self conscious.

The question is at what point do these mental acrobatics just become instinct. So for me that would be "at what point do the sudden flashes of realisation that im being weird stop because I automatically am normal


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04 Jan 2014, 10:28 am

I think of it like firearms training.

You can teach a person to shoot properly in 10 minutes, but in a crisis, they won't do anything right. This is why constant training and repetition is part of the program. Load and chamber 200 times, clear a jam 200 times, etc. and your muscles learn to do the action without conscious thought being that involved. They call it "muscle memory." It's also why they will tell you NOT to use fine motor skills but gross motor skills. When the body is flooded with adrenaline, fine motor skills are easily impaired, and something as simple as hitting the slide release on a pistol can become impossible.

Socializing can be the same way. I can WATCH others interact and pick up on what's going on. When I'm involved, it's very difficult to focus on participation AND pick up on what's going on. However, I've done it enough times over the years, that I sometimes do pick up and make a "course correction" that I previously would have missed completely.

Of course, the chief rule in my social interactions is to try to say as little as possible since I usually go off and say things I shouldn't say.