Am I wrong to suspect my psychiatrist is not qualified?

Page 1 of 2 [ 17 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

Forester
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

Joined: 21 Jul 2016
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 69

23 Jul 2016, 6:54 am

Hi, I am new here.

Fairly certain I am HFA or have Aspergers for too many reasons to list in this thread. Suffice to say I have identified through careful self observation, remembering things from childhood and observations by loved over 50 different traits.

I am having difficulty finding a psychiatrist who has experience diagnosing adults with autism.

The issue is further complicated by abuses I suffered as a child, my IQ (high) and location (Philippines where my wife is from).

My current pychiatrist I am convinced is unqualified because:

1) I came to her about the autism, only mentioning the abuse as a factor feeding into my anxiety. She got stuck on the abuse issue. So stuck that she labeled my hyper sensitivity (which is across all 5 senses) as hyper vigilance and my insominia (which pre dates the abuse) as a symptom of the abuse

2) She decided, without diagnostic tests I wasn't autistic after our first hour together

3) Her reasons were "your just very smart", "you don't act autistic" (not accounting for masking) etc..

As the title suggests, I would like to know if I am wrong to question if she might be unqualified or lacks experience in this area?

Also, how important is it to deal with someone experienced in autism, and specifically experienced in diagnosing adults?

Another challenge, in the Philippines many (but not all) doctors can get very upset if you question their knowledge/qualifications or challenge their diagnosis.

The good news I have found a doctor in Thailand (3 hour flight) who claims to be an expert in autism in adults. But before I make the arrangements to visit him I wanted to get a reality check.



Tahitiii
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Jul 2008
Age: 68
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,214
Location: USA

23 Jul 2016, 8:15 am

Some wise man once said, "When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."
You are right that she is not competent in your case. Whether she is technically "qualified" doesn't really matter.
She doesn't know and doesn't want to know anything that would be helpful to you.
Good luck in finding someone who is competent at all, let alone within a realistic budget. I self-diagnosed at age 50 and gave up looking long ago.
On the child abuse thing, I know that story, too. They get stuck on it and it's all they can see, even though I moved on decades ago. It's their obsession, not mine, and it's not helpful.



Aristophanes
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 Apr 2014
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,603
Location: USA

23 Jul 2016, 9:04 am

Never assume that because someone has been checked off by the hierarchy (has a degree), that they're actually competent at what they do.



thoughtbeast
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Oct 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,337
Location: Scarlet Jungle of Krypton

23 Jul 2016, 9:27 am

:arrow: The Autism Society Philippines (ASP) is a national, non-profit organization dedicated to the well-being of persons with autism spectrum disorder. The ASP has been in the forefront of providing services and training to families living with autism.
:arrow: Contact | +632-410-4416 | +632-413-1942 | [email protected]
Also, see the section "Get Social" at the above website for forum and various other locations.
From what I've been able to determine in my brief examination of the website, their focus is on children, yet perhaps you can get assistance from them to locate someone who meets your needs. May you succeed.


_________________
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.


ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 66
Gender: Male
Posts: 34,667
Location: Long Island, New York

23 Jul 2016, 1:36 pm

I would say if she is diagnosing you based on 1 hour you have very good reason to be suspicoius.

It is of the utmost importance to find a clinicion qualified not only in assessing autism but autism in adults.

You might have PTSD which is a common co morbid of autism. A qualified cliniction would take that into account.


Welcome to Wrong Planet


_________________
Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity

“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman


alex
Developer
Developer

User avatar

Joined: 13 Jun 2004
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,214
Location: Beverly Hills, CA

23 Jul 2016, 1:53 pm

Quote:
"your just very smart",


Clearly she doesn't know anything about autism if she said that.

I would find someone else.


_________________
I'm Alex Plank, the founder of Wrong Planet. Follow me (Alex Plank) on Blue Sky: https://bsky.app/profile/alexplank.bsky.social


randomeu
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 May 2016
Age: 26
Gender: Male
Posts: 628
Location: In the wonderful world of i dont know

23 Jul 2016, 2:23 pm

yep don't trust her at all myself from the sounds of it, she is stereotyping, i have an IQ of 132 so clearly am reasonably smart. well at least for my age, im 19, wow just realised i ironically just stereotyped people my age haha.


i got this with my history teacher in high school, i found her lack of knowledge disturbing (darth vader haha), whenever i asked a question (im a bit of a history nut) she didn't know the answer, i even asked questions i already knew the answer to just to test her, she was very incompetent. so one day i just flat out asked her "so...do you have a gcse or something in history?" and she said she didn't, not even a gcse, or even an A-level, she was barely qualified to be a teacher (was completing the degree at the time).


wow, school, give people a more knowledgable teacher next time.


so yeah, i guess its possible that your psychiatrist is not qualified, very much so, im not sure they cover autism anyway


_________________
AQ score: 45

Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 174 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 30 of 200
You are very likely neurodiverse (Aspie)


Officially diagnosed 30th june 2017


Forester
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

Joined: 21 Jul 2016
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 69

23 Jul 2016, 4:09 pm

Thanks guys, its good to be able to make sure I am not just being paranoid.

Thoughtbeast: thanks for the feedback. But as you noted its for children and here in the Philippines a pediatrician won't consider even speaking to an adult for a cold, let alone autism.

New development: a couple of days ago I made a last ditch effort to break through her myopia and wrote a very long and direct email going over the many traits I show in more detail, making my case for a closer look at an autism diagnosis.

After I posted here she replied to my email to thank me for giving her such a detailed view of my experience and now she says believes its very likely I am on the spectrum. My plan is to let her move forward with a diagnosis simply because she is the best I am likely to find here, but to seek out a 2nd opinion from the doctor in Thailand.



Tahitiii
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Jul 2008
Age: 68
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,214
Location: USA

23 Jul 2016, 5:48 pm

It depends on what you need. Do you need the diagnosis to be eligible for some service or other practical benefit?
Or just for your own comfort? Either way, I would think that piece of paper from the local doc is good enough,
and cheaper. What can the guy in Thailand do for you beyond that?



ToughDiamond
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Sep 2008
Age: 71
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,582

23 Jul 2016, 6:00 pm

Seems to me you're on the right track. I think a lot of health professionals make this mistake of declaring clients not to be autistic without having looked carefully enough to be able to logically justify ruling it out. She doesn't know whether you have it or not, and it would be honest of her to admit that.



Forester
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

Joined: 21 Jul 2016
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 69

23 Jul 2016, 7:35 pm

Tahitiii wrote:
It depends on what you need. Do you need the diagnosis to be eligible for some service or other practical benefit?
Or just for your own comfort? Either way, I would think that piece of paper from the local doc is good enough,
and cheaper. What can the guy in Thailand do for you beyond that?


No, no financial benefits like disabilty.

I have been fooled before with a diagnosis for a physical malady which turned out to be a totally different physical malady, actually 2 unrelated ones. So would like some certainty. That said I am comfortable enough with my own assessement to start thinking of myself as HFA or Aspie. So really it is about independent verification and to make sure I am not falling prey to my own confirmation bias. So with that in mind, I have to be able to trust the person providing the verification or it is worthless.



Noca
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 9 May 2015
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,932
Location: Canada

26 Jul 2016, 1:59 pm

Go with an expert who specifically claims to be an expert in diagnosing adults with autism, don't just rely on your ordinary Jo blow ignorant doctor or psychiatrist. Don't be intimidated by their arrogance or any attitude they give you if you question their god like credientials or competence.



MissAlgernon
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 18 Feb 2016
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 382
Location: Aperture laboratories

26 Jul 2016, 2:14 pm

Mental health professionals in general aren't qualified to diagnose, because the autism spectrum isn't something psychological. Neurologists who are specialized in cognition are qualified and use a large variety of tests.



Forester
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

Joined: 21 Jul 2016
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 69

26 Jul 2016, 2:49 pm

MissAlgernon wrote:
Mental health professionals in general aren't qualified to diagnose, because the autism spectrum isn't something psychological. Neurologists who are specialized in cognition are qualified and use a large variety of tests.


Thank you. I will look for a qualified neurologist (or neuropsychistrist if I cannot find a qualified neurologist) for the source of the 2nd opinion.



Tahitiii
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Jul 2008
Age: 68
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,214
Location: USA

26 Jul 2016, 9:56 pm

The neurologist I went to in 2008 called it a "garbage pail diagnosis."
And later that year, the supposed "expert" psychiatrist in autism spectrum (probably mostly for children) didn't want to talk at all. Just gave me a bunch of tests that made no sense. Like a facial recognition test designed for a toddler, which I passed with flying colors. Like I haven't learned a few tricks by the age of 50? No discussion.



LanguageMeterScholar
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

Joined: 7 Jul 2016
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 83
Location: China

26 Jul 2016, 10:31 pm

I think that a person's understanding of their own condition can make the professionals feel threatened.
I am self diagnosed and my life and personality have started to make sense because of it. If I were to take that to a professional I would have to be very careful with what I said to them.

The mind sciences aren't what people think they are there is no unifying theory of mind (like biologists have evolutionary biology) that all professionals conform to. Mental health professionals make their decisions in a very arbitrary fashion based on their prejudices and life experience. One of the strong traits of neurotypicals is social game playing, they don't call it a game they call it being themselves. I also try to play social games but I'm so bad at it that I have given up.

Any way I suppose what I'm saying is that be very aware of mental health professionals always exercise your own proper judgment in dealing with such people. Try to be as aware of yourself as possible.


_________________
I am a language teacher and amateur language scientist, I want to create a theory of language that can benefit autism spectrum persons as well as those with other neurological conditions. Communication with the NT world can be difficult, and I would love to hear what problems you have had trying to deal with such problems. If you want to talk about it please contact me.