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11 Nov 2010, 2:15 pm

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The Universe has already been scientifically established to be infinitely weirder than many of seem to realize or allow for


Amazingly freaking cool, isn't it?



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11 Nov 2010, 2:24 pm

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The Universe has already been scientifically established to be infinitely weirder than many of seem to realize or allow for


Amazingly freaking cool, isn't it?


Absolutely! I can't pretend to understand it all by any means, but I understand enough to have my mind thoroughly blown. Which is both a rather intimidating and thrilling experience.:)



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11 Nov 2010, 2:49 pm

Maolcolm wrote:
[The Universe has already been scientifically established to be infinitely weirder than many of seem to realize or allow for. .


That's true. However, a lot of people use that to claim that therefore I should believe whatever weird thing they can think up, simply because weird things are somtimes true. Yes. Weird things are sometimes true. This does not mean that if a thing is weird, it must be true.



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11 Nov 2010, 3:23 pm

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Yes. Weird things are sometimes true. This does not mean that if a thing is weird, it must be true.


Agreed. That's why I try to retain an open mind, rather than believing or rejecting.

Dismissing something as ridiculous and impossible because it "sounds weird" is as unreasonable as believing everything unquestioningly. Yet, most people do reject things unthinkingly if they "sound weird" and imagine they are somehow superior and more "realistic" than the believers and they feel validated by the numbers who share their view. This haughty 'herd mentality' often induces them to pour scorn and derision on the 'believers'. Yet both groups basically share the same irrational mental dynamic, just with different conclusions.



Having said that.... for the sake of amusing argument, it could perhaps be legitimately claimed that the Universe is so weird that every "weird thing" must be 'true'. The very size of the Universe may necessitate this this as does the Many Worlds theory.

Fun ideas to toy with :)

"The best current evidence is that the universe is infinite in size.... Once we allow the universe to be infinitely big, everything that has any chance of occurring must occur somewhere in the universe, in fact if must occur infinitely many times....
In an infinite universe, there would be an infinite number of stars basically identical to our Sun. Of those, only a tiny fraction would also have a planet the same size as Earth, but a tiny fraction of infinity is still infinity. Only a tiny fraction of those planets would be the same distance from their star as Earth is from the Sun. Only a tiny fraction of those would have a moon like our Moon. But that's still an infinite number.

Some could have life similar to Earth's life. Some could have life identical to humans. Some could have people absolutely identical to every person on Earth. I know, "not bloody likely", but you're missing the point. In an infinite universe, somewhere this will occur no matter how unlikely.

Somewhere out there, no doubt unimaginably far away, there is an identical Earth with twins of us all. In fact, there must be an infinity of identical Earths. On some of those identical Earths you stopped reading at this point and that world is no longer identical to ours. Spooky, huh?

Once you allow the universe to be infinite, every possibility, no matter how unlikely, must occur somewhere."


From: Mind Blowing Astronomy Ideas

"There are an infinite number of mes writing this, and an infinite number of yous reading it.

According to the current standard model of cosmology, the observable universe – containing all the billions of galaxies and trillions upon trillions of stars mentioned above – is just one of an infinite number of universes existing side-by-side, like soap bubbles in a foam. Because they are infinite, every possible history must have played out. But more than that, the number of possible histories is finite, because there have been a finite number of events with a finite number of outcomes. The number is huge, but it is finite. So this exact event, where this author writes these words and you read them, must have happened an infinite number of times.

Even more amazingly, we can work out how far away our nearest doppelganger is. It is, to put it mildly, a large distance: 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 28 meters. That number, in case you were wondering, is one followed by 10 billion billion billion zeroes"


From: Ten Weirdest Physics Facts.

"If you buy into the Many Worlds Theory, the implications are infinite. And let’s be clear about what “infinite” means here. For every action you’ve ever taken, every movement you’ve ever made, even down to the atomic level, there’s a parallel universe out there where you did something else instead. Anything else. Instead of learning guitar, you burst into flames. Instead of opening the fridge, you freebased black tar heroin. Instead of nude rock climbing, you went nude bungee jumping. Instead of reading this article, you worked productively and got a handsome raise. Think about it: in some parallel universe out there, you and your high school sweetheart are making hot, reconciliatory love atop Bob Feeney’s smoldering corpse after you killed a laser-breathing velociraptor with your bare hands. If that thought doesn’t make you feel better about how mundane your actual life is, we don’t know what will."

From: Five Scientific Theories....



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11 Nov 2010, 10:24 pm

I am an Indigo and my son is a Crystal. But that does not necessarily apply for everyone under the spectrum.


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11 Nov 2010, 10:36 pm

Well, can I be the golden child please?
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12 Nov 2010, 12:07 am

Maolcolm wrote:
Once you allow the universe to be infinite, every possibility, no matter how unlikely, must occur somewhere.


Even this statement implies limits. It is a mistake to think that conceiving something as possible makes it possible. An infinite universe still has structure and laws that govern it. The realm of the possible is contained within those laws. This is one of the weird things about the human mind. We seem to easily imagine impossibilities.



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12 Nov 2010, 1:50 am

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Today I met another Aspie, a German woman I met on an excursion to Pyramids of Lambayeque here in Chiclayo in Peru. She said she was a shaman and psychic.

In the evening we were back in the city and something struck me when she got agitated by noises and and other things she said struck a chord.

I asked her if she knew about Asperger and I explained. She didn't believe and said it was just another syndrome invented by doctors.

She soon agreed we were both wired too sensitive and I couldn't convince her about Aspie traits and that I was one, she preferred to call us Indigo or Crystal children. She might register on WP. I gave her the adress. I said she could try and debate this here with her arguments. What do you think of her argument??


While I appreciate the esteem in which these people view me, I am of the general opinion that beyond certain relaxational aspects, the new age stuff is generally BS.



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12 Nov 2010, 3:22 am

Indigo, crystal and even the rainbow children are a belief system many of us have (or a knowing). It is possible to be both an Indigo/crystal child as well as an Aspie at the same time. Just like one can be Christian and Aspie or Christian and psychic at the same time. The difference with Indigos.. they arent just sensitive to things but they also come with special talents and gifts. (psychic gifts).

My own daughter is an indigo child, as well as an Aspie. Cause she is an Indigo she varies from other children eg she can see spirits and the auras of people. Ever watched "6th Sense"???, that's my daughter before that movie was even made. She actually things which if another psychic is about is able to see too.

She also at times is telepathic and can speak at times telepathically.

Most Aspies dont know where they are headed in life.. An Indigo child on their path.. carries a lot of Insight and can often have a clear view of where they are headed. Indigo children are often guided by Intuition. Often they also remember their past life times and will be dealing consciously with people from past lifetimes. It is hard for the Indigos being so different to umm I'll call them NTs, as they are very different to a normal Aspie or a normal NT. Past life trauma and their memories .. may thou mess them up this lifetime. (ive met quite messed up Indigos)

Indigo children are often the spoon benders, psychic readers, energy workers, healers, mediums ......

Asperger people are just as likely or unlikely as a NT person to be an Indigo person.



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12 Nov 2010, 3:28 am

violetchild wrote:
Indigo, crystal and even the rainbow children are a belief system many of us have (or a knowing). It is possible to be both an Indigo/crystal child as well as an Aspie at the same time. Just like one can be Christian and Aspie or Christian and psychic at the same time. The difference with Indigos.. they arent just sensitive to things but they also come with special talents and gifts. (psychic gifts).

My own daughter is an indigo child, as well as an Aspie. Cause she is an Indigo she varies from other children eg she can see spirits and the auras of people. Ever watched "6th Sense"???, that's my daughter before that movie was even made. She actually things which if another psychic is about is able to see too.

She also at times is telepathic and can speak at times telepathically.

Most Aspies dont know where they are headed in life.. An Indigo child on their path.. carries a lot of Insight and can often have a clear view of where they are headed. Indigo children are often guided by Intuition. Often they also remember their past life times and will be dealing consciously with people from past lifetimes.

Indigo children are often the spoon benders, psychic readers, energy workers, healers, mediums ......

Asperger people are just as likely or unlikely as a NT person to be an Indigo person.


I've yet to see any empirical evidence supporting these notions.



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12 Nov 2010, 3:39 am

i believe im made from flesh. everything else makes no sense to me.



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12 Nov 2010, 6:56 am

Yes--do some experiments with your daughter and prove it statistically. Until then, sorry--I'm not going to believe it.

I think that what you're seeing is likely your daughter's hyper-aware sensory system; she has extreme difficulty filtering out relevant stimuli, and so she perceives a great deal more than most people--at the expense of a higher cognitive load and a lower tolerance for stress and stimulation. It is, for example, highly probable that she knows that you are in the room because she hears you breathing, or that she knows someone is coming home because she has mentally filed away patterns of homecoming on various days and recognizes the sound of the car's engine from several blocks away. When you cannot ignore anything, this kind of thing is quite routine. It is, however, not supernatural; it is no more than what you would be able to do if you were forced into paying attention to nearly everything, nearly always (or else zoning out and paying attention to only one extremely narrow thing).


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12 Nov 2010, 7:02 am

i was not a a"blue baby". i was born without my neck wrapped in my mothers fallopian tube.



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12 Nov 2010, 10:06 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
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Once you allow the universe to be infinite, every possibility, no matter how unlikely, must occur somewhere.


Even this statement implies limits. It is a mistake to think that conceiving something as possible makes it possible. An infinite universe still has structure and laws that govern it. The realm of the possible is contained within those laws. This is one of the weird things about the human mind. We seem to easily imagine impossibilities.


Agreed. However, because we are nowhere near fully understanding those laws we cannot be sure what exactly "breaks" them and what does not and therefore cannot make a definite judgment. We do not really know what is "impossible". Much of what quantum physics demonstrates is true is impossible from the standpoint of classical physics and violates it's "laws" - as Daniel Greenberger put it, "Quantum Mechanics is Magic". The "possible" may simply be the limit of our scientific understanding at present, rather than an objective limit inherent in the Universe itself.

Or to put it another way, even allowing for "limit", "structure" and "laws" it's possible that the Universe is capable of infinitely more apparent "impossibilities" than our minds can ever conceive of.



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12 Nov 2010, 10:32 am

Maolcolm wrote:

Agreed. However, because we are nowhere near fully understanding those laws we cannot be sure what exactly "breaks" them and what does not and therefore cannot make a definite judgment. We do not really know what is "impossible". Much of what quantum physics demonstrates is true is impossible from the standpoint of classical physics and violates it's "laws" - as Daniel Greenberger put it, "Quantum Mechanics is Magic". The "possible" may simply be the limit of our scientific understanding at present, rather than an objective limit inherent in the Universe itself.

Or to put it another way, even allowing for "limit", "structure" and "laws" it's possible that the Universe is capable of infinitely more apparent "impossibilities" than our minds can ever conceive of.


Absolutely! We don't know what we don't know (yeah, a cliche, but it fits).



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12 Nov 2010, 10:36 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
Maolcolm wrote:
Once you allow the universe to be infinite, every possibility, no matter how unlikely, must occur somewhere.


Even this statement implies limits. It is a mistake to think that conceiving something as possible makes it possible. An infinite universe still has structure and laws that govern it. The realm of the possible is contained within those laws. This is one of the weird things about the human mind. We seem to easily imagine impossibilities.


Hi. The universe isn't exactly infinite. It's pretty big :p but it has a certain size that can be calculated pretty accurately. (Didn't read the other posts, so I might be missing something here).