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02 Sep 2011, 4:05 pm

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Such as? not quite sure what an analgestic is.....but one of the resons medicinal marijuana has become quite popular in some states is because it is much less addictive than most prescription pain-killers so its a safer alternative. Of course marijuana is not perfect nor is any drug, most medications in general do not adress the root of the problem and are to just relieve symptoms.


Analgesic is not what the name suggests. It's the technical term for painkiller. THe problem is though is that I can name all sorts of random drugs that have the specific affect of relieving symptoms like pain. Codeine for example, paracetamol is another and they don't have the shotgun effect of Marijuana that makes it dangerous. The problem is that in the end this kid shouldn't have to use drugs at all for having autism. All they're doing is ramming him in to line so that they don't have to deal with the problem any more.


What do you mean, as far as I know those drugs are more addictive then marijuana and do not really adress the cause, they relieve the pain. Also in the Op it says the kid has self harm issues along with other things if there is something that helps with that I think it is a valid reason. And why should the problem have to continue if there is something that helps reduce it.



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02 Sep 2011, 5:07 pm

people who smoke grass are stoners .



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03 Sep 2011, 3:42 am

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Such as? not quite sure what an analgestic is.....but one of the resons medicinal marijuana has become quite popular in some states is because it is much less addictive than most prescription pain-killers so its a safer alternative. Of course marijuana is not perfect nor is any drug, most medications in general do not adress the root of the problem and are to just relieve symptoms.


Analgesic is not what the name suggests. It's the technical term for painkiller. THe problem is though is that I can name all sorts of random drugs that have the specific affect of relieving symptoms like pain. Codeine for example, paracetamol is another and they don't have the shotgun effect of Marijuana that makes it dangerous. The problem is that in the end this kid shouldn't have to use drugs at all for having autism. All they're doing is ramming him in to line so that they don't have to deal with the problem any more.


What do you mean, as far as I know those drugs are more addictive then marijuana and do not really adress the cause, they relieve the pain. Also in the Op it says the kid has self harm issues along with other things if there is something that helps with that I think it is a valid reason. And why should the problem have to continue if there is something that helps reduce it.

Eurgh. I said Marijuana over liver damage any day already. Also codeine isn't more addictive than marijuana. You need to be on codeine for weeks until you actually get an addictive response. With the same dose of THC you have a hook. Also is self-harming best dealt with through drugs or does that suggest extreme sadness and stress?



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03 Sep 2011, 4:24 am

Stick to the actual symptoms of autism / aspergers. Anxiety / sadness etc are not part of the criteria. We are treating the autism not the co-morbid conditions.

CHILDREN: Cannabis affects kids less than it does adults per dose/KG of bodyweight. This applies to the high, the side effects, the dangers and a lot of the medical effects.

Cannabis: Safely worming children, dogs and ducks for millennia.

If you can't find the good science, ask me, I am a medicinal cannabis user who uses it to treat his own aspergers with great satisfaction and enough success.

If you oppose giving cannabis to autistic kids you are harming them, in my opinion.



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03 Sep 2011, 12:30 pm

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Stick to the actual symptoms of autism / aspergers. Anxiety / sadness etc are not part of the criteria. We are treating the autism not the co-morbid conditions.

CHILDREN: Cannabis affects kids less than it does adults per dose/KG of bodyweight. This applies to the high, the side effects, the dangers and a lot of the medical effects.

Cannabis: Safely worming children, dogs and ducks for millennia.

If you can't find the good science, ask me, I am a medicinal cannabis user who uses it to treat his own aspergers with great satisfaction and enough success.

If you oppose giving cannabis to autistic kids you are harming them, in my opinion.

What? Safely worming? What? The Good science? Also how does THC affect children less than adults? Have you ever heard of the side-effects of drugs on growing persons? Also I am not harming people by not giving them a drug. I and everyone I know wasn't given drugs and we seemed to do fine. So quit trying to turn this in to some personal moralizing campaign.



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03 Sep 2011, 7:34 pm

Gedrene wrote:
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Such as? not quite sure what an analgestic is.....but one of the resons medicinal marijuana has become quite popular in some states is because it is much less addictive than most prescription pain-killers so its a safer alternative. Of course marijuana is not perfect nor is any drug, most medications in general do not adress the root of the problem and are to just relieve symptoms.


Analgesic is not what the name suggests. It's the technical term for painkiller. THe problem is though is that I can name all sorts of random drugs that have the specific affect of relieving symptoms like pain. Codeine for example, paracetamol is another and they don't have the shotgun effect of Marijuana that makes it dangerous. The problem is that in the end this kid shouldn't have to use drugs at all for having autism. All they're doing is ramming him in to line so that they don't have to deal with the problem any more.


What do you mean, as far as I know those drugs are more addictive then marijuana and do not really adress the cause, they relieve the pain. Also in the Op it says the kid has self harm issues along with other things if there is something that helps with that I think it is a valid reason. And why should the problem have to continue if there is something that helps reduce it.

Eurgh. I said Marijuana over liver damage any day already. Also codeine isn't more addictive than marijuana. You need to be on codeine for weeks until you actually get an addictive response. With the same dose of THC you have a hook. Also is self-harming best dealt with through drugs or does that suggest extreme sadness and stress?


It would depend on the individual situation.......it could have to do with sadness and stress, but the cannabis could help with dealing with the stress.



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04 Sep 2011, 12:44 am

:) I've found that Medical Marijuana can be highly effective! It is one of the most effective and least harmful medicines on the planet, used by many throughout the world for thousands of years. Speaking from personal experience, I can say that it helps a great deal with anxiety (and life in general to be quite honest!) The biggest drawback I've had to deal with is increased appetite and weight gain if you're not careful. Some may say that using Marijuana makes you apathetic but I've found the exact opposite to be true!


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04 Sep 2011, 12:49 am

I must state my opinion on the subject.

1. I am not overall a pot fan. Some seem to smoke that stuff all the time. I do not respect that behavior because anyone who uses a drug like that all the time to me suffers from a weakness of will when not absolutely needed. The idea that it's not addictive is hog wash as it is psychologically addictive.

2. For a medicine I believe it is over persribed. I support it for chronic pain, cancer and otherwise life ending usages. As far as the use for psychological treatment I believe claims are not scientific enough. It can cause anxiety, delusions and mental disturbances in general and can create dependency where psychological will power can be a solution and that goes for certain kinds of medicines where applicable only.

As far as treating autism with pot that is as silly as saying pot is for kids.


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04 Sep 2011, 2:45 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Gedrene wrote:
Analgesic is not what the name suggests. It's the technical term for painkiller. THe problem is though is that I can name all sorts of random drugs that have the specific affect of relieving symptoms like pain. Codeine for example, paracetamol is another and they don't have the shotgun effect of Marijuana that makes it dangerous. The problem is that in the end this kid shouldn't have to use drugs at all for having autism. All they're doing is ramming him in to line so that they don't have to deal with the problem any more.


What do you mean, as far as I know those drugs are more addictive then marijuana and do not really adress the cause, they relieve the pain. Also in the Op it says the kid has self harm issues along with other things if there is something that helps with that I think it is a valid reason. And why should the problem have to continue if there is something that helps reduce it.

Eurgh. I said Marijuana over liver damage any day already. Also codeine isn't more addictive than marijuana. You need to be on codeine for weeks until you actually get an addictive response. With the same dose of THC you have a hook. Also is self-harming best dealt with through drugs or does that suggest extreme sadness and stress?


It would depend on the individual situation.......it could have to do with sadness and stress, but the cannabis could help with dealing with the stress.

But given how many people just prolong the problem with marijuana I can only guess... GIven my history with depressive moods I often find a burst of exercise is able to get me out of it. Marijuana doesn't solve that much because you can only use it in small doses without the danger of addiction. Same thing with time. Using a drug to deal with sadness and stress is like using oil to lubricate an engine part with a steel bar stuck in it. You remove the damn steel bar.



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04 Sep 2011, 9:15 am

Any drug will alter in effects according to the reason it was taken. Cannabis, when used in the treatment of problems with autism has helped me greatly but I also have learned to treat it as medicine and not and high and it works better that way. It relaxes me at night and helps me sleep without being "knocked out". I recommend it over any other drug for the simple fact that it cannot kill you. If someone smokes it and they get panic from it, they could try an indica variety that tends to slow thought process instead of speeding it up. If anxiety continues then you're unlucky and should not smoke it. Also, when I use it I only smoke one or two puffs. It's only when someone smokes excessively that it becomes a problem when it comes to motivation and apathy. I just use it as one of the many pharmacological agents in my treatment. I use it along side Kratom, which is amazing at helping me understand empathy and open open from being shut in my own head. Then theres adderall which I've found to actually get me off my ass to apply for college. Gabapentin and Klonopin are the only drugs I'm forced to take because I was given them too early in life to think about addiction. Everyone is different suppose.



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04 Sep 2011, 10:07 am

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If someone smokes it and they get panic from it, they could try an indica variety that tends to slow thought process instead of speeding it up. If anxiety continues then you're unlucky and should not smoke it. Also, when I use it I only smoke one or two puffs.

I thought it was already established that smoking is off-limits because of the toxins produced by combustion, not to mention the tar.



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04 Sep 2011, 10:20 am

Gedrene wrote:
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If someone smokes it and they get panic from it, they could try an indica variety that tends to slow thought process instead of speeding it up. If anxiety continues then you're unlucky and should not smoke it. Also, when I use it I only smoke one or two puffs.

I thought it was already established that smoking is off-limits because of the toxins produced by combustion, not to mention the tar.


Smoking should be off limits to children...but people in general who use cannabis probably won't quit smoking it.



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04 Sep 2011, 11:18 am

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Smoking should be off limits to children...


ABSOLUTELY...no child should ever be encouraged to smoke ANYTHING...nor even to know how (for the uninitiated, inhaling is *NOT* usually a natural reflex and can take some working out)

* I do not think cannabis can even be considered for other administration for medicinal purposes unless a healthy, controlled system of delivery can be devised.
* I think that anyone who tries to make people feel guilty for not breaking the law on behalf of their child needs a short sharp wake up call (to say the least), even if there were supporting evidence, and there is not.
* I do not think cannabis is helpful for all, or even most, autistics (thought it may still be helpful for a significant number, which must be recognised and explored) - it exacerbates my autism if anything, and I am not the only one - and a child may be totally unable to recognise and articulate this.
* If you are an adult, and you feel cannabis helps you, and you understand and accept the legal risks, the rule of "whatever gets you through the night should apply".
* THC (the active ingredient in cannabis) has never been shown to be addictive, despite multiple trials, though a psychological dependency can form over long periods of time in individuals otherwise predisposed to addiction.



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04 Sep 2011, 1:44 pm

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* THC (the active ingredient in cannabis) has never been shown to be addictive, despite multiple trials, though a psychological dependency can form over long periods of time in individuals otherwise predisposed to addiction.

If cannabis is addictive and THC is the active ingredient then how can you say THC isn't addictive? I'm going to investigate your claim.



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04 Sep 2011, 2:02 pm

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If cannabis is addictive and THC is the active ingredient then how can you say THC isn't addictive? I'm going to investigate your claim.


The explanation is very simple, cannabis has never been shown to have any physically addictive properties at all (apart from the aforementioned psychological factors) and I cannot imagine where you would get the idea it had.

Tobacco is addictive, and cannabis is often, even usually, smoked with it, which is a very bad idea, but the cannabis itself is not physically addictive at all. I wonder if you have it confused with opium? THAT is seriously addictive.



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05 Sep 2011, 2:27 am

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The explanation is very simple, cannabis has never been shown to have any physically addictive properties at all (apart from the aforementioned psychological factors)

So you say it isn't physically addictive but that it is psychologically addictive. Doesn't that mean that it's still addictive?