This requires urgent attention.Warning: extreme hate speech
I don't believe much that Autism Speaks writes either, Progaspie, though I see the point you are making.
Our considerations of what Autism Speaks publish are important because they misportray us in potentially very harmful ways which can reinforce prejudice against people on the ASD spectrum. Though not everyone agrees, satire can have exactly the same effect.
Encyclopedia Dramatica is simply a twisted black humor site intended to push people's buttons. Its whole raison d'etre is to drive traffic to it in order to rack up hits for porn site ads and such. Be aware that every single reaction along the lines of yours is posted to their site and then made fun of. It changes host servers/countries often to stay one or two steps ahead of the law and of civil suit lawyers, not to mention hackers. You could take it down and it would simply pop up on another server a couple weeks later. Until a month ago it was on a server in Spain until the kitchen there got too hot, so now it's in Sweden (.se is Sweden, right?). I have actually read some of their junk, and it serves the same function as American shock radio, getting people to look at it for shock value. Like shock jocks such as Howard Stern and Anthony & Opie, it's not worth getting riled up over. That's what they WANT! They WANT you to get mad and talk about hacking it etc. Like I said, anybody who talks about destroying it quickly finds themselves a target, is that what you want?
Well, we too disagree. Example: A man may call a grown woman who values her adult identity a "cute girl" because he intends it as a compliment. His intention doesn't rule out the fact that it is sexist, patronising, offensive and belittling. Intention doesn't make everything ok.
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I'm clearly the devil's advocate here, and that's ok. Allow me to summarise my position, as I have not made it as clear as I might have originally. I get where the site's defenders are coming from, so please also try to get where I am coming from.
The article is not satire, it something quite else, disguised as satire. If you look closely, it is simply cliched stereotypes masquerading as ?humour?. That isn't what satire actually is, and the distinction is important. The distinction is so often ignored, misunderstood or dismissed in today?s easy-access online world.
Satire is not a free pass to be a racist, homophobic, misogynistic or ableist; The defence of "it was just satire didn't you get it" is not an opaque screen to hide assh... tendencies from view. Satire isn?t a magic word that suddenly transforms hate speech aimed at underprivileged groups into witty comedy that "isn't meant to offend".
The ED article is an example of crap comedic writing that is passed off by smart alec hacks who want to obscure (while simultaneously revelling in) gleeful ablist hatred. When pseudosatire is aimed at underprivileged groups who experience oppression, the claim of "it's satire!" is intended to be a total shield for the fkd up and damaged sensibilities of the people who write it.
PS There are some wonderful examples of real satire: if you want the real McCoy, look up Johnathan Swift and his satire on how to cure famine by eating children as a particularly fine example. Generally satire is aimed at power structures to expose misuses of power or hypocrisy of those in power, or the pomposity of poohbahs in power. That's a long way from the crap ED peddles.
However I think that there is no common ground to be found here. I don't find it funny, most of you do; perhaps our responses say more about us as people than anything else.
The article is not satire, it something quite else, disguised as satire. If you look closely, it is simply cliched stereotypes masquerading as ?humour?. That isn't what satire actually is, and the distinction is important. The distinction is so often ignored, misunderstood or dismissed in today?s easy-access online world.
Satire is not a free pass to be a racist, homophobic, misogynistic or ableist; The defence of "it was just satire didn't you get it" is not an opaque screen to hide assh... tendencies from view. Satire isn?t a magic word that suddenly transforms hate speech aimed at underprivileged groups into witty comedy that "isn't meant to offend".
The ED article is an example of crap comedic writing that is passed off by smart alec hacks who want to obscure (while simultaneously revelling in) gleeful ablist hatred. When pseudosatire is aimed at underprivileged groups who experience oppression, the claim of "it's satire!" is intended to be a total shield for the fkd up and damaged sensibilities of the people who write it.
PS There are some wonderful examples of real satire: if you want the real McCoy, look up Johnathan Swift and his satire on how to cure famine by eating children as a particularly fine example. Generally satire is aimed at power structures to expose misuses of power or hypocrisy of those in power, or the pomposity of poohbahs in power. That's a long way from the crap ED peddles.
However I think that there is no common ground to be found here. I don't find it funny, most of you do; perhaps our responses say more about us as people than anything else.
What has happened with me a few times is that I have been in a state of mind where various statements about me that I would normally be offended by, I actually see as compliments. This state of mind is hard to describe, but I wish anyone would experience it. I also find that a lot of times when I am ostracized or oppressed I feel the most spiritual. I recently posted a thread entitled "is extroversion a sin?" that is very related to this. Extroversion to me appears to be the flipside of this very phenomenon, and therefore unspiritual in essence, although I'm not sure about that, but it is what I feel. I believe that extroversion is basically seeking personal emotional fulfillment outside of oneself, because one feels that one cannot have it without something outside of oneself. This inevitably leads to increased fear and desire, and is a manifestation of fear and desire in the first place, i.e. it is a negative spiral.
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