Asperger's and Being Considered "Disabled"

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This is so obviously not true it's unbelivable you even posted the crap here.
And to be very picky, this thread, and thus my first statement was about Aspies.

Aghogday Wrote:

If you dispute the evidenced material your argument is with those that did the study and provided the peer reviewed results. You attribute the quote to me, but it is not my quote, it is a quote from an article referencing the research.

If you meant aspies you could have said aspies; you said autistics, however that's no problem, I've addressed the differences in studies that have been provided in my last post among the different disorders, including the correlation of schizotypal thinking (magical thinking) and aspergers.


Yes, and that's the beuty of statistics, these "some" will always be a minority. What is more likley to occur, occurs generaly more often than something less likely. That is undisputable.

Aghogday Wrote:
Avoiding response is not necessarily an indication of logic for some whom may be afraid to respond because of social admonishment, it is only an indication of no response as it relates to logical communication

@aghogday
you present very well that autistics are rational thinkers just by the way you post
for instance your arguements are based on evidence and facts typicaly coming from wikipedia.when people disagree with you present a link that suports your claim and refutes the others claim.your posts are long and contain many facts that you use to present your arguement.you dont show much emotion when discussing things even when others are rude.neurotypicals on the other put more emphasis on emotion,neurotypical respect self confidence and will believe who ever sounds like they know what there talking about.who ever has the most self confidence when they speak is who neurotypicals will believe regardless of what evidence is presented.talk loud and have much confidence and neurotypicals will believe anything you say.
you saying that autistics are not more rational then neurotypical is like the" pot not calling the kettle black" to use an old expression.

If you dispute the evidenced material your argument is with those that did the study and provided the peer reviewed results. You attribute the quote to me, but it is not my quote, it is a quote from an article referencing the research.

If you meant aspies you could have said aspies; you said autistics, however that's no problem, I've addressed the differences in studies that have been provided in my last post among the different disorders, including the correlation of schizotypal thinking (magical thinking) and aspergers.

Avoiding response is not necessarily an indication of logic for some whom may be afraid to respond because of social admonishment, it is only an indication of no response as it relates to logical communication

I made no statements regarding quality of life; nor that logic has a goal; there is logic that provides correct outcomes and there is logic that provides incorrect outcomes. You quoted the third party reference I provided, not me, per quality of life.

Problem solving is required in social communication as well as in decisions that allow one to gain independence in life.

Peer reviewed research, is provided oversight in an attempt to ensure bias is not part of the researched analysis.

It's a wonderful way to cut through emotional bias, that all human beings are subject to. My opinion, on it's own, would mean little to nothing without it.

Logic and emotion work hand in hand in success in life; the yin and yang balance of life, that has been understood well before western science was invented, and the connections of emotion/logic were studied in peer reviewed research.

@aghogday
you present very well that autistics are rational thinkers just by the way you post
for instance your arguements are based on evidence and facts typicaly coming from wikipedia.when people disagree with you present a link that suports your claim and refutes the others claim.your posts are long and contain many facts that you use to present your arguement.you dont show much emotion when discussing things even when others are rude.neurotypicals on the other put more emphasis on emotion,neurotypical respect self confidence and will believe who ever sounds like they know what there talking about.who ever has the most self confidence when they speak is who neurotypicals will believe regardless of what evidence is presented.talk loud and have much confidence and neurotypicals will believe anything you say.
you saying that autistics are not more rational then neurotypical is like the" pot not calling the kettle black" to use an old expression.

You posted it, that's why the quote is adressed to you, otherwise it'd looked like it was Sweetleaf who wrote it.
And you posted it here as an argument, therefor you are accountable, unless someone forced you to include it at gun point.

Aghogday Wrote
The quote is not attributed per reference of who wrote it. Aghogday did not write it, he quoted it from a third party reference. The reference was provided in the previous post. I provided it as evidence that higher functioning autistic individuals have problems in social communication, similar to some of those identified identified as "lower functioning". One need look no further than these forums, if one wants additional anecdotal evidence of that.



I never claimed anything about autistics, except when replying to your posts, and why do you think I've repeated "Irrelevent" like a freaking parrot...

Aghogday Wrote:
You've clarified it now, so it's no longer a problem.


... Time to wash your eyes and read that post again, because you (again) failed to understand it.

Aghoday Wrote:
You stated words to the effect that some would avoid social communication because they were punished in social communication. That's not necessarily an indication of logic in those individuals, it's an indication of avoidance of communication. If you meant something else you'll need to explain it.


Yes you did, I highlighted it for you so you wouldn't miss it. You said "They aren't logical because they can't take care of themselves." That is a judgement of their logical capabilites based on their quality of life.

Aghogday Wrote:
You highlighted a statement from a reference I provided, regarding quality of life. I did not make the statement you quoted above. I made no personal judgement on someone's quality of life, per that subjective element of one's life. The referenced article evidences it, not me.

Nor, did I say that someone wasn't logical because they can't take care of themselves, I said "I have provided the broad perspective of the impact of autism spectrum disorders, that provide evidence without a shadow of a doubt that the majority of individuals diagnosed do not have the ability to make the logical decisions in life, required to gain independence in life". This statement does not dictate how one views the quality of their life, or that someone does not exercise logical decisions in some areas of their life.

Per example, some individuals have special interests that interfere with logical decisions as they apply to everyday life functioning, per criteria standards, but this does not mean they are necessarily unhappy about their quality of life, or want it any other way.

The research provides evidence that many autistic individuals are living at home, provided subsistence, and/or supervision as required, depending on their symptoms. This research as evidenced is applicable among those identified as having mild forms of autism as well as severe forms of autism.



You seem unaware of a few things, so let me explain.
1. Peer review will only accept things they are willing to accept, this has been the problem of the system as long as it has existed.
2. There are several openly bias groups providing reviews for "science" they support. (Creatonism comes to mind first.)

Aghogday Wrote:
Neither of these two issues have been identified as problems specific to the third party sources that I have provided. If you have third party evidence that they have, you are welcome to provide it.

The peer review process, nor the scientific method is perfect, but peer reviewed evidence provided by the scientific method beats anecdotal evidence, per emotional bias, in almost every case. There are no filters for emotional bias in internet discussions, other than oppositional opinions or third party evidence that uses the scientific method, to refute emotionaly biased statements.


The only ones who have stated such things here as been you, about our points, which is still wrong.

Aghogday,

This is one of my favorite songs. Thanks for post it.


TheSunAlsoRises

Ahogday does have a calm and rational posting style. However, autism is not a requirement for being able to present arguments this way. In fact, being able to present arguments this way is a requirement of all who want to succeed in academia and research. If you go to websites frequented by those people, you'll see this posting style a lot. In addition to WP, I go to websites about the paleo lifestyle, which apparently attracts many people in biochemistry and medical research and so I see this posting style a lot.

There are people with autism in research and academia. Ahogday may be one of them. (Hopefully this speculation is not annoying ahogday. I'll delete if it is.) But, as with many things, most of the people involved are not autistic.

Ahogday does have a calm and rational posting style. However, autism is not a requirement for being able to present arguments this way. In fact, being able to present arguments this way is a requirement of all who want to succeed in academia and research. If you go to websites frequented by those people, you'll see this posting style a lot. In addition to WP, I go to websites about the paleo lifestyle, which apparently attracts many people in biochemistry and medical research and so I see this posting style a lot.

There are people with autism in research and academia. Ahogday may be one of them. (Hopefully this speculation is not annoying ahogday. I'll delete if it is.) But, as with many things, most of the people involved are not autistic.

Aghogday ... if you don't mind me asking (and its fine if you'd rather keep this private) ... when and where did you grow up?

1.i never said autism was a requirement to reasonable thinking,your right nany neuroypicals are very reasonable.however even very reasonable neorotypicals put the emphasis more on how one says something as to what someone says.you can convince a lot (not all) n.t's of many false informatiom if you say it with a lot of self confidence.
2.aghogday was acting like it was silly to think thast autistics were rational thinkers and i was just addresing that viewpoint.i was not saying only autistics can think rationaly

Neurotypicals are at a disadvantage because social constraints will prevent them from considering logic objectively.