To be chased is by far more powerful.

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The_Face_of_Boo
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15 Sep 2016, 7:30 am

This is a confession of a psychological mess in depth.

When it comes to romantic interest: I find that to be the "chasee", is by far more powerful than to be the "chaser". The "chasee" always have the upper hand. No wonder why a lot of women encourage the "a guy must ask out girl" tradition because it is a beautiful power/privilege that they don't want to give it up. I wouldn't if culture gave me this privilege.

Sadly, personally, most of those who chase/ed often weren't/aren't attractive to me.

But I admit that is a strong ego boost every time it happens, even if I don't like the girl back.

And I admit that when a girl chases me, I feel so powerful, I feel that I have the total upper hand over them: I can be indifferent to them, I can ignore some of their messages and they would still be trying to do another attempt just to make sure, ringing to my phone, and yet I don't feel obligated to reciprocate for every gesture, hell I can even show them obvious signs of non-interest and they would still try hard to get my attention - for example a girl initiates full-blown texting with me, and I reply with one word or ignore her (yet it would mark as Read) and she would still give me the benefit of doubt "I am sorry, if you are busy I won't disturb you right now" :
Devilishly satisfying!.... well at least for some moments till I feel too guilty and admit non-interest.

On the other hand, in cases where I am the "chaser"; I often end up feeling extremely weak, totally at her mercy - anticipating her to initiate texting to me (yet it never happens) , anticipating that she will reply to my text/message; and if ignored I feel crashed, my ego gets stumbled.....etc

It is so devilishly nice to be the chasee.

but so humiliatingly ugly to be the chaser.


And so far I haven't experienced an exception in either of those two positions.


So, what about you? do you like to be the chasee or the chaser?



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15 Sep 2016, 7:45 am

I don't want to be either one. I get no pleasure, satisfaction or feeling of power to be chased. If I'm being "chased" at all it usually means I have NO interest and thus the continuation of the being chased is repugnant to me and I want it to stop. Because, if I'm interested, there is no chase, I'm there. I don't play chasing games. My no means no, and my yes doesn't need to be chased.



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15 Sep 2016, 7:48 am

BirdInFlight wrote:
I don't want to be either one. I get no pleasure, satisfaction or feeling of power to be chased. If I'm being "chased" at all it usually means I have NO interest and thus the continuation of the being chased is repugnant to me and I want it to stop. Because, if I'm interested, there is no chase, I'm there. I don't play chasing games. My no means no, and my yes doesn't need to be chased.


In both described scenarios above, it's in stage before any "No" or "Yes".

And usually the "No" from the chaser isn't always a clear verbal No, but often via signs of non-interest (ghosting, not replying...etc).



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15 Sep 2016, 8:02 am

I'd rather be the pursuer than the pursue-ee



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15 Sep 2016, 8:33 am

I would too, Mr. KraftieKortie, if it weren't so difficult at times!

I enjoy the chase, personally. Not the difficulty of it, though.

With the Aspergers and Anxiety, it's almost like playing a video game on 'Hard' difficulty when I'd rather play on 'Normal/Standard'.

FACE-OF-BOO: Definitely.

Here's my response to possible counter-arguments by some women.

Note: I am not trying to make generalizations about ALL men and women.

What I am about to say only applies to SOME men and women.

SOME women may make these counter arguments about what SOME women have to experience in dating, and my counter-arguments are what SOME men have to experience when it comes to dating:

1. "Just because I am the one approached, doesn't mean I have it easier. Most of the guys who approach me are creeps and otherwise incompatible with me!"

Response:

SOME of us males go through this too.

We aren't compatible with most girls and women, only a small few.

It is easier to be approached by 99 creeps if only 1 is a decent guy, let alone be compatible with you, then it is to have to approach 100 different women only for 1 to give you their number, let alone be compatible with you.

I don't understand why some women feel uncomfortable and threatened by a man even if he approaches in an open, public space in broad daylight.

Perhaps it is harder for some women if they're approached in a dark alley or parking lot at night, but men can also be approached by stranger men in the dark who want to beat and rob them.

But anyway, if he's approaching you at a nightclub or in a public space at day, there's nothing to worry about. The minute he becomes aggressive all you really need to do is self-defend, try to get away, but also yell and cry for help at the top of your lungs, and every healthy man, woman and child in the vicinity will likely rush to your aid before any serious damage is done.

Those nightclubs have 'bouncers' for a reason - they'll rough up any hooligan they know to be making trouble!

2. "Because I'm the one who is approached, I have to come across as approachable. This means working hard on my appearance and having to follow societies trends for what is an attractive woman."

Response:

Some males may not have to work as hard on their appearance, but they still have to put a lot of effort into our looks.

I have noticed, at least in Australia, in the last few years the expectations for young men to be good looking and muscular have only gotten harder and harder to live up to.

We have to take care of our health and hygiene as well.

Otherwise if we approach women as a scruffy mess, our rejection rate will be even higher than it already is.

3. "If I choose to approach, I as a woman am seen by some other people as desperate!"

And if some men choose not to, it's more than likely we'll never find love at all!

Why worry about what others think?

If you approach a man and one day and end up dating him, what does it matter if one or two people called you 'desperate' or a 'sl•t' behind your back?

At least you ended up with someone, and you've just got to cut out the people who criticize you for doing the approaching like that.

Besides, want to know what the male equivalent to calling a woman 'desperate' tends to be?

Entitled.

Some women are considered 'desperate' by society if they decide to approach.

And some men are called 'entitled' if they do not approach and expect women to do the work.

4. "I DO approach men, but none of them have ever shown interest in me back and nothing ever works out with them."

Now you know how some of us men feel. :lol:

Being rejected by 15 men in your life is NOTHING compared to the amount some men have.

Personally, in 5 years of high school alone I have had about 35 crushes and only ended up in two short-term relationships with two of them.

Not all of these 35 crushes rejected me, though. Some of them I just failed to talk to at all.

But anyway, the amount of actual rejections I've had is...about 13, including breakups.

I shouldn't think about it too much because every minute I remember another one. :lol:



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15 Sep 2016, 8:43 am

Outrider, aren't you assuming a bit, though, when you say "I don't understand why some women feel uncomfortable and threatened by a man even if he approaches in an open, public space in broad daylight."?

I appreciate you said "some" women and no doubt there are some women who feel uncomfortable or threatened.

But it's not always a case of those two reactions.

I have recently been pestered -- and yes it's pestering now in my particular case -- three times across two separate days now, by the same man, in an open, public space in broad daylight.

But I do NOT feel "uncomfortable" and I do not feel "threatened" in any way shape or form.

You do understand that those are not the only two reasons a woman might not be happy about a man's approaching her?

I don't feel in danger. I feel perfectly safe. I don't think this man is a threat to my physical safety. He doesn't even make me feel "uncomfortable."

The only thing I feel is ANNOYED BECAUSE HE HAS NOT TAKEN MY "NO" as my truth.

I'm annoyed that something I made VERY CLEAR to him has been disrespected and not accepted. He should have gracefully walked away the first time he was told, but he hasn't, he's come back to bother me again twice more further to the initial approach.

I'm not scared. I'm not threatened. I'm not even uncomfortable. I fully know I'm not in any danger. I'm just PISSED OFF NOW.



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15 Sep 2016, 8:50 am

I wouldn't know; I haven't been a "chasee" before.



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15 Sep 2016, 8:55 am

this is really black and white thinking and i find it quite disturbing as a title, or as thought/opinion even more



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15 Sep 2016, 9:10 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
This is confession of a psychological mess in depth.

When it comes to romantic interest: I find that to be the "chasee", is by far more powerful than to be the "chaser". The "chasee" always have the upper hand. No wonder why a lot of women encourage the "a guy must ask out girl" tradition because it is a beautiful power/privilege that they don't want to give it up. I wouldn't if culture gave me this privilege.

Sadly, personally, most of those who chase/ed often weren't/aren't attractive to me.

But I admit that is a strong ego boost every time it happens, even if I don't like the girl back.

And I admit that when a girl chases me, I feel so powerful, I feel that I have the total upper hand over them: I can be indifferent to them, I can ignore some of their messages and they would still be trying to do another attempt just to make sure, ringing to my phone, and yet I don't feel obligated to reciprocate for every gesture, hell I can even show them obvious signs of non-interest and they would still try hard to get my attention - for example a girl initiates full-blown texting with me, and I reply with one word or ignore her (yet it would mark as Read) and she would still give me the benefit of doubt "I am sorry, if you are busy I won't disturb you right now" :
Devilishly satisfying!.... well at least for some moments till I feel too guilty and admit non-interest.

On the other hand, in cases where I am the "chaser"; I often end up feeling extremely weak, totally at her mercy - anticipating her to initiate texting to me (yet it never happens) , anticipating that she will reply to my text/message; and if ignored I feel crashed, my ego gets stumbled.....etc

It is so devilishly nice to be the chasee.

but so humiliatingly ugly to be the chaser.


And so far I haven't experienced an exception in either of those two positions.


So, what about you? do you like to be the chasee or the chaser?


Ha! I knew it! I knew you were leading that poor girl on.


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15 Sep 2016, 9:12 am

^ which one?



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15 Sep 2016, 9:14 am

traven wrote:
this is really black and white thinking and i find it quite disturbing as a title, or as thought/opinion even more


Well it's a dark thought indeed but I do believe that most people won't admit having it at times.



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15 Sep 2016, 9:16 am

Who would want to be the chasee? It means you're not interested and just being bothered. At least the chaser has something positive - hope. :mrgreen: Sometimes the dream is better than the reality.


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15 Sep 2016, 9:20 am

BirdInFlight wrote:
But it's not always a case of those two reactions.


Then that's my mistake.

I guess I just falsely assumed whenever I hear women complain they wouldn't take no for an answer, it's because the man's behavior was 'creepy' and 'inappropriate' and it made her 'uncomfortable'.

Because I consider not taking no for an answer 'inappropriate' and 'creepy' behavior. So I assumed them not taking no for an answer makes her feel threatened (and you can see how a man not taking a no for an answer may parallel with a potential r•pist).

Also, I sometimes think a reaction of anger is to actually hide feelings of uncomfortableness/fear.

Using anger as a sort of way to defend yourself and hide fear, so to speak.

Women aren't weak little flowers, or anything. But I tend to strongly acknowledge the strength and size differences between men and women and how this affects the dynamics of approaching vs approached.

For example, I wouldn't feel threatened if gay males my age treated me the way I see some women are catcalled or treated inappropriately, simply because I know I can defend myself. Even if he were twice my height and size.

This is just personal experiences, but I've noticed the difference between a weaker man vs a stronger one is nothing compared to a man vs a woman. That is, men tend to stand a better chance against other men, even if the other man is stronger, probably because men overall are the physically stronger sex.

Anyway, interesting enough in my earlier post I was trying to argue it's harder for men than women, but now realize all I've done is show reasons why it's actually quite balanced for some men and women.



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15 Sep 2016, 9:21 am

nurseangela wrote:
Who would want to be the chasee? It means you're not interested and just being bothered. At least the chaser has something positive - hope. :mrgreen: Sometimes the dream is better than the reality.



I may end up interested as a chasee, but till then, I wouldn't go through all the s**t that the chaser go through, such as the fear of rejections, feeling ignored, feeling little, feeling emotionally threatened...etc.



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15 Sep 2016, 9:28 am

Is it sad that when I first read the title my first thought was of two opposing armies, though I suppose you could relate it to that in some ways metaphorically. I find way too many things relatable to war 8O


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15 Sep 2016, 9:33 am

This is not a gender thing even if "culturally" it is expected from man to be the chaser while the woman to be chasee.

But truth is, being the chaser always sucks, regardless of the gender.

and being the chasee, being the center of attention of someone, ...... feels nice, regardless of gender (and here I am excluding the sexual harassment cases, I am just talking about reasonable romantic/showing interest kind of chasing, not anything obscene).

So it's really all about chaser/chasee dynamics rather than male/female.

This applies even on homosexuals.