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26 Nov 2013, 10:01 am

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I wish the fact that some women would rather have sex with bastards didn't tar us all with the same brush.


You have found a strong connection with your boyfriend. Good for you.

I don't think it's that. I said it was nothing to do with him being a bastard, if you were reading what I had said.


Shau mentioned her ex being a bastard, that's what it was in reference to.


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26 Nov 2013, 10:06 am

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Shau mentioned her ex being a bastard, that's what it was in reference to.


To which I said in response that it's not because he's a bastard.

It's because he sexually excites her and makes her feel sexually alive and you singularly, well, haven't and don't.

And I said that he's glad to be rid of her but I did say at the time that she was probably looking for something animalistic, which OP obviously wasn't going to provide.



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26 Nov 2013, 12:28 pm

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Chalk it up to experience mate, you're not the first person to be treated like crap nor will you be the last.

Get yourself some cats and a footballer. You will be happier :)

(when I'm not depressive I'm actually quite happy with the status quo with my footballer lol).


What's exactly the purpose of the footballer?


To be a good friend and someone to look up to. Someone to watch train, especially when he takes his shirt off (he doesn't shave/wax his chest either, YUM!). He's also a fun romantic interest to have while I wait for something to pop up.

Or if you mean his literal job description - stop the other team from kicking goals


So he's your sexual partner in the transition periods between ex-bf and next boyfriend?


More like the guy I want to be my boyfriend, but it won't happen so I'm cool with just wishing until someone comes along, or he changes his mind, one or the other. I haven't slept with him (Over two years since I last was intimate with someone :( ).

Currently on my possibles list is the guy who checks the aircons at work, the traffic controller who I chat to walking to work and Captain Picard. God I hope my footballer changes his mind! :P


So he's your masturbation/fantasy subject in trasition periods.



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26 Nov 2013, 12:32 pm

Tequila wrote:
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Shau mentioned her ex being a bastard, that's what it was in reference to.


To which I said in response that it's not because he's a bastard.

It's because he sexually excites her and makes her feel sexually alive and you singularly, well, haven't and don't.

And I said that he's glad to be rid of her but I did say at the time that she was probably looking for something animalistic, which OP obviously wasn't going to provide.


I don't think we can know if he's a bastard or not, or what sexually excites her. What we can know is that she plays mind games.


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26 Nov 2013, 1:09 pm

Tequila wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Shau mentioned her ex being a bastard, that's what it was in reference to.


To which I said in response that it's not because he's a bastard.

It's because he sexually excites her and makes her feel sexually alive and you singularly, well, haven't and don't.


I would support this theory, it makes sense to me. Without this excitement, the relationship is doomed to fail.

Makes me wonder, puddingmouse, have you ever met someone who you thought was a good guy but there just wasn't any kind of spark, so to speak? Would you imagine yourself having sex with such a guy?


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26 Nov 2013, 1:32 pm

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Shau mentioned her ex being a bastard, that's what it was in reference to.


To which I said in response that it's not because he's a bastard.

It's because he sexually excites her and makes her feel sexually alive and you singularly, well, haven't and don't.


I would support this theory, it makes sense to me. Without this excitement, the relationship is doomed to fail.

Makes me wonder, puddingmouse, have you ever met someone who you thought was a good guy but there just wasn't any kind of spark, so to speak? Would you imagine yourself having sex with such a guy?


I wouldn't fake a relationship with someone with whom there was no spark.

Or if I got in and found there was no spark, I'd have the decency to talk about it before sleeping with someone else.

Whatever her motivations are, she's bad news.

Also, I singularly haven't and don't what? Sexually excite her? That makes no sense, I don't know her. Feel sexually alive myself? Why would you presume I don't these days?


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26 Nov 2013, 1:37 pm

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So he's your masturbation/fantasy subject in trasition periods.


you know, most of your comments make my brain connect to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMh5aI-7pSk

I can't think why :roll:


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26 Nov 2013, 1:44 pm

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I wouldn't fake a relationship with someone with whom there was no spark.

Or if I got in and found there was no spark, I'd have the decency to talk about it before sleeping with someone else.

Whatever her motivations are, she's bad news.


Well, I agree with you. But that was my point; without that spark, the other woman will either cheat with someone who does bring that spark, or break up/do something about it if she is more decent. She was indeed bad news, in the end, and it's a good thing Shau is finished with her. But I put my money on the fact that the existance of the spark with the ex, and the lack of it with Shau, played a crucial part in this. I think that's the next step after being a not-spineless nice guy: being the kind of man who can have that spark and keep it with a woman. I've learn that without that spark one might as well not bother; and with it things tend to happen on their own.

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It's because he sexually excites her and makes her feel sexually alive and you singularly, well, haven't and don't.

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Also, I singularly haven't and don't what? Sexually excite her? That makes no sense, I don't know her. Feel sexually alive myself? Why would you presume I don't these days?


In that case, *he* refers to the ex-boyfriend and *you* refers to Shau and *her* refers to Shau's ex-girlfriend. So that's why it wouldn't make sense, it's not talking about you


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26 Nov 2013, 1:51 pm

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Well, I agree with you. But that was my point; without that spark, the other woman will either cheat with someone who does bring that spark, or break up/do something about it if she is more decent. She was indeed bad news, in the end, and it's a good thing Shau is finished with her. But I put my money on the fact that the existance of the spark with the ex, and the lack of it with Shau, played a crucial part in this. I think that's the next step after being a not-spineless nice guy: being the kind of man who can have that spark and keep it with a woman. I've learn that without that spark one might as well not bother; and with it things tend to happen on their own.


Is there a specific type of man that can have a spark and keep it with a woman? I don't think there is because women are all different. Different men will have a spark with different women.

He should be himself and communicate well rather than trying to be more sexually aggressive, or whatever people think it is that women want.


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26 Nov 2013, 1:52 pm

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In that case, *he* refers to the ex-boyfriend and *you* refers to Shau and *her* refers to Shau's ex-girlfriend. So that's why it wouldn't make sense, it's not talking about you


I was hoping that was the case but I couldn't be sure.


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26 Nov 2013, 2:13 pm

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Is there a specific type of man that can have a spark and keep it with a woman? I don't think there is because women are all different. Different men will have a spark with different women.

He should be himself and communicate well rather than trying to be more sexually aggressive, or whatever people think it is that women want.


It's little things. I remember you said how you liked that a man would answer "yes I know 8)" when he was complimented. But those little things can't be faked all, what is really needed is the confidence behind them, which in the end can't be faked either. From my experience, it's also about being direct about one wants, and not ashamed of it (very different to ignoring the other person and doing things despite what they want, that's the last thing I'd advocate for, and in the end I don't know how to explain this other by with the word "assertiveness". Let's put an example with kissing. What I do is look them in the eyes and tell them I will kiss them, when I feel it's appropriate. I go in slow so that they have time to move away if that's their wish, plus I like the expectation anyway, but lately I've become better at seeing when it's appropriate or not, and at taking risks, so that usually doesn't happen. But I've interviewed several women on the subject and they all agree it's a turn-off when the man is too passive and never makes a move. Communicating, as you said it, is also a big part. Communication, you mentioned it, It also plays a part (although it is more related with the "trusting each other" part than with the spark part) but it is important, and not many couples have it.

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It's good to feel treasured and beautiful, which is a sort of feminine feeling


I believe that's another part of it, making the other person feel treasured and beautiful. It is my impression so far that you don't fall neatly in a gender role, but other women I've talked to personally plus some texts recommended by wise people agree with this as well.

All in all, I can't say I have figured things out, I am still on that process. But I feel strongly the path I am is the way ahead for having a fulfilling relationship, and this is part of it.


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26 Nov 2013, 2:29 pm

I think the idea that links masculinity and confidence is dangerous because it implies that femininity is about lack of confidence and assertiveness (because femininity is portrayed as being what masculinity isn't.) Everyone should try to be confident and assertive.

I got the impression that Shau was trying to be confident and assertive, anyway (nice guy with a spine) but Tequila was suggesting that he should be more than that if he wanted to keep that girl's interest. I don't think it's worth it because it's fake and she sounds like she's not worth it, anyway.


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26 Nov 2013, 2:40 pm

See, it depends what "nice guy with a spine" is.

Too much asking "is this OK?", "how about that?" can also be taken as weakness and a lack of dominant assertiveness.

You don't want to ignore a woman because that's very dangerous. But you want it to be absolutely clear about what you want.

Too much "indecisiveness" is a,turn-off.



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26 Nov 2013, 2:48 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
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Shau mentioned her ex being a bastard, that's what it was in reference to.


To which I said in response that it's not because he's a bastard.

It's because he sexually excites her and makes her feel sexually alive and you singularly, well, haven't and don't.


I would support this theory, it makes sense to me. Without this excitement, the relationship is doomed to fail.

Makes me wonder, puddingmouse, have you ever met someone who you thought was a good guy but there just wasn't any kind of spark, so to speak? Would you imagine yourself having sex with such a guy?


Also, I singularly haven't and don't what? Sexually excite her? That makes no sense, I don't know her. Feel sexually alive myself? Why would you presume I don't these days?


I was referring entirely to OP's situatikn and not you in any of that



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26 Nov 2013, 3:05 pm

Tequila wrote:
See, it depends what "nice guy with a spine" is.

Too much asking "is this OK?", "how about that?" can also be taken as weakness and a lack of dominant assertiveness.

You don't want to ignore a woman because that's very dangerous. But you want it to be absolutely clear about what you want.

Too much "indecisiveness" is a,turn-off.


So is too much fake bad-assery. The key is to quit worrying about things and be awesome.


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26 Nov 2013, 3:08 pm

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I was referring entirely to OP's situatikn and not you in any of that


I'm glad of that. I was being paranoid that you were assuming things about me, sorry.


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